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Pete Dunk

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The Tipp Staff
« on: November 15, 2019, 03:59:36 PM »

Here's a tune that has haunted and frustrated me for years, now I find that the hardest part of this tune to play on an English concertina is straightforward, almost simple, on an Anahata (G scale) tuned D/G box. The tune in general is taxing whatever you play it in on and you'll need G# and Fnat accidentals to play it as written but no doubt there are ways to fudge those. Played at full tilt it really rattles along but it sounds pretty good at any speed and is quirky enough to stand out from the crowd. A PDF is attached.

X:15
T:Tipp Staff, The
C:William Vickers manuscript 1776
M:4/4
L:1/8
Z:Pete Dunk March 2008
K:G
d/c/|BGgG G,G GA/2B/2|cAaA A,A AB/2c/2|dBBd ecce|dccB BAAc|
BGgG G,G GA/2B/2|cAaA A,A AB/2c/2|Bdge fgag|fde^c d3 D:|
|:d=ffe eddc| BAA^G AA,A,B|ceed dccB|gdcB B3 A|
G,GGB A,AAc|B,BBd Ccce|deef gdcB|AGAB G3:|
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2019, 05:24:10 PM »

Interesting tune Pete, and one I've not heard before.
Wondering if you'd split it into 2 lots of 8 bars, making an A and B music, or play as writ?
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2019, 05:37:18 PM »

It's played straight through from top to bottom but there's no problem with seeing it as a two part tune, the second eight bars are very different from the first eight.
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2019, 05:52:59 PM »

Alistair Anderson repeats both parts but no repeat is shown in The Great Northern Tunebook which is a transcription of the Vickers' manuscript by Matt Seattle.
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2019, 05:54:46 PM »

Oh ok, thanks Pete.
It is interesting ..... hmm maybe!
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2019, 06:51:28 PM »

 As an aside, I assume that's the way the title is rendered in the music manuscript. However modern usage has it as Tipstaff, which refers to an officer in a court of law. I sort of assume that's what the tune title refers to, in spite of the different spelling.

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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2019, 07:26:15 PM »

Yes it is written as Tipp Staff in Vickers' but Ali Anderson calls it The Tipstaff on his recordings
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2019, 08:07:52 PM »

Yes it is written as Tipp Staff in Vickers' but Ali Anderson calls it The Tipstaff on his recordings

I think "tipp staff" may be an earlier spelling (plural "tippe staves"). An interim version between "The office of the Tippe staff is thought to have been created in the 14th century. One of the earliest records of the Tipstaff was mentioned in 1570: "The Knight Marshall with all hys tippe staues". It is a position of both law enforcement and ceremonial duties" and the modern version, maybe.
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2019, 08:14:11 PM »

Vickers' manuscript is from 1776 so it probably falls into the 'ye olde world' category as regards spellings.
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2019, 08:29:15 PM »

Here is a scan of the manuscript page. It's the second tune halfway down
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2019, 08:52:11 PM »

Looking at the manuscript page (I've not looked it up before), there is a clearly marked double repeat mark in the middle of the tune but nothing at the begining or end. Given the age of the piece it was probably common practice to write music like this and I now think it should be played AABB as previously suggested.
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2019, 11:48:03 PM »

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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2019, 12:15:43 AM »

Thanks Mike, I don't know what happened there because I checked the link when I posted it and also followed it back to the page a little later to check out the repeat sign, now it's broken! I've updated the link above using your link so it now works again.  ???
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2019, 06:34:31 AM »

...Not sure about that link. I would suggest http://www.farnearchive.com/farneimages/jpgs/R0300700.jpg as a better option...
Yes, that works. It also leads the incurably curious to backtrack to the Farne Archive list of resources
which includes a lot of MSS: http://www.farnearchive.com/browse_by_collection.asp which looks as if
it might be worth poking about in. In C18th I can see  one which has been transcribed, and a couple
which haven't, but I haven't checked the whole list which is pretty long...

The 'home' page http://www.folknortheast.com/ appears to be 'empty' which is pretty irritating...
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2019, 09:58:41 AM »

...Not sure about that link. I would suggest http://www.farnearchive.com/farneimages/jpgs/R0300700.jpg as a better option...
Yes, that works. It also leads the incurably curious to backtrack to the Farne Archive list of resources
which includes a lot of MSS: http://www.farnearchive.com/browse_by_collection.asp which looks as if
it might be worth poking about in. In C18th I can see  one which has been transcribed, and a couple
which haven't, but I haven't checked the whole list which is pretty long...

The 'home' page http://www.folknortheast.com/ appears to be 'empty' which is pretty irritating...
Indeed. We at VMP have poked around in there somewhat,transcribing what seemed like a good selection at the time. There may be some unchewed bits, but I'm busy at the moment, and there are other areas less well represented on our books. http://www.cpartington.plus.com/Links/ChrisPartingtonsLinksPage.html

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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2019, 02:26:06 PM »

Just in case of East Anglian roots, Tip Staff or Tip Cat was a childrens game hereabouts until WW2 ish, played with a stick whittled to a pencil like point at each end that was struck with another stick which would send it flying end over end, not sure what if any scoring there might have been, more likely that like bowling hoops or tops, it was something to do while in transit by Shanks pony !
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2019, 08:22:20 PM »

Just in case of East Anglian roots, Tip Staff or Tip Cat was a childrens game hereabouts until WW2 ish, played with a stick whittled to a pencil like point at each end that was struck with another stick which would send it flying end over end, not sure what if any scoring there might have been, more likely that like bowling hoops or tops, it was something to do while in transit by Shanks pony !

We used to play something related but I can't, for the life of it, remeber what we called it.
There was a wooden peg, with a wedge on each end, sat on a stump. You had to wack with a stick so it flew into the air and then give it an almighty thwack as it came down, sending it as far as you could. The winner was the one that went furthest. A bit like knurr and spell, but you had to make the spelling happen before the knurr. I won't sleep until I know what it's called.
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Re: The Tipp Staff
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2019, 11:01:33 AM »

Other than the stump launch pad this sounds the same Greg, I had neglected to add the swipe if possible - doesn't help musically but an alternative source for the name, who in Norwich were and still are known as Whifflers, which opens a new page for tune naming, I love to go a Whiffling, Whiffling Rufus, Whiffle while you Squeeze, sorry approaching thread drift...
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2019, 12:18:55 PM »

Other than the stump launch pad this sounds the same Greg, I had neglected to add the swipe if possible - doesn't help musically but an alternative source for the name, who in Norwich were and still are known as Whifflers, which opens a new page for tune naming, I love to go a Whiffling, Whiffling Rufus, Whiffle while you Squeeze, sorry approaching thread drift...

Finally remembered. We called it Peggy, or Peggoty.
Play your tune on a Peggy Whiffle?
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2019, 12:52:44 PM »

Growing up in rural Devon..... I have never heard of this game!
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