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Re: Minstrel Concertina
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2019, 01:36:27 PM »


The English  system is, clearly, he work of the devil. I can't play a PA, either. The bellows don't work proper.

The English system is actually the work of Sir Charles Wheatstone an inventor of many scientific breakthroughs of the Victorian era.

I thought he invented the bridge?
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2019, 01:39:58 PM »

Yep that too.
Charles Wheatstone was a prolific inventor and scientist in the great Victorian tradition.
Baz, you must remember me playing concertina when we first knew each other back in the day....
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Re: Minstrel Concertina
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2019, 01:45:35 PM »

The English system makes total sense to me.

It does to me...until I actually try to play it.
I had an English Crabb on loan for 6 months. Never got a whole tune out of it.
Got hold of an Anglo and I was getting a tune out of it within minutes.
This was before I ever picked up a melodeon, as well.
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Re: Minstrel Concertina
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2019, 01:58:46 PM »


The English  system is, clearly, he work of the devil. I can't play a PA, either. The bellows don't work proper.


The English system is actually the work of Sir Charles Wheatstone an inventor of many scientific breakthroughs of the Victorian era.

I thought he invented the bridge?


Twas the same guy. but the bridge was actually invented by Samuel Hunter Christie then improved and popularised by Sir Charles Wheatstone

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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2019, 02:01:49 PM »

It is a funny old thing.
One concertina system that works for one is an anathema to another.
There is no right or wrong, just what works for you.
What always amazes me is how many English system players also play melodeon. Until I started playing melodeon, I always assumed a melodeon player would gravitate towards Anglos .
Yep, a funny old thing, the way we all work.
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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2019, 02:29:22 PM »

...On the edge of Cheshire's Golden Triangle, apparently...
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I know it's off-topic, but I'm only just up the road,
and I've got to know. Where the hell is Cheshire's 'Golden Triangle'?
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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2019, 02:33:04 PM »

I didn't know either, but Mr. Google tells me it's the triangle of affluent Cheshire villages and towns in a triangle between Wilmslow, Alderly Edge and Prestbury.
Wherever that is...…
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2019, 04:33:00 PM »

Wherever that is...…
Tiz but a day's ride to Brizzle, then yer turns left a bit and a couple more days heading north (being sure to keep well clear o' them Celtic furreners on yer left) should bring yer nigh on a spit o' yon triangle. If yer gets ter the fog an' rain, yer've gone too far.   
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2019, 04:45:54 PM »

Ah so that's were tis .
Apparently the M5 is well cobbled and presumably has horse troughs.
It's the 'Here be Dragons' signs on leaving the county that always puts me off.
P'raps I'll try it.
One day.... maybe!
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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2019, 05:47:26 PM »

Otherwise known as Thrupenny Bit for a reason!
You're not talking rhyming slang I take it?
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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2019, 05:58:43 PM »

Hmmmm  no, not that I know of.
It was a reference to my previous instrument.
Well, I thought it was  ;).
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2019, 07:44:33 PM »

Whoops, sorry. It's my Cockney upbringing.
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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2019, 08:39:36 PM »

Whoops, sorry. It's my Cockney upbringing.

*Snort* I shall  never be able to look at Q in quite the same light again.
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2019, 09:59:23 PM »

 ..... Oy! Just you wait till I see you!!! ;D
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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2019, 05:46:30 AM »

No wish to muddy the waters/confuse matters, but I just came across this.

It's a brand I hadn't come across before. A suitable alternative to the Merlin perhaps? There
is a claim that a G/D is in the pipeline...
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« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2019, 07:31:55 AM »

No wish to muddy the waters/confuse matters, but I just came across this.

It's a brand I hadn't come across before. A suitable alternative to the Merlin perhaps? There
is a claim that a G/D is in the pipeline...

I played one at Whitby and really did not like it.  So glad I had already bought my AP James anglo which is only £200 more.  OK, so I'm a total beginner but I know enough to know when an instrument feels and sounds poor, plus a very experienced concertina playing friend of mine described it as 'sounds like it's full of old socks' an opinion with which I can only concur.
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« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2019, 08:17:46 AM »

No wish to muddy the waters/confuse matters, but I just came across this.

It's a brand I hadn't come across before. A suitable alternative to the Merlin perhaps? There
is a claim that a G/D is in the pipeline...

I played one at Whitby and really did not like it.  So glad I had already bought my AP James anglo which is only £200 more.  OK, so I'm a total beginner but I know enough to know when an instrument feels and sounds poor, plus a very experienced concertina playing friend of mine described it as 'sounds like it's full of old socks' an opinion with which I can only concur.
I think that was me who said that!
To be fair, I think the Blackthorn anglo could be good, much better, say, than the Scarlatti anglo or the Concertina Connection Rochelle. The Blackthorn is well built with good bellows and a nice riveted action, but the Whitby demo/first production models were let down by the reeds set-up. The response was slow and breathy. I think with a bit of extra time spent working on the reed tip gaps they could have been much improved. But I was told by Barleycorn that unfortunately there had not been time to do this in the rush to get them on to the market for Whitby.
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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2019, 10:19:23 AM »

I think that was me who said that!

I wasn't going to name names my dear but since you have claimed the opinion then yes, it was  (:)  Made me laugh too.

I also think you were rather more impressed with APJ anglo when you played it.
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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2019, 11:07:38 AM »

...I think with a bit of extra time spent working on the reed tip gaps they could have been much
improved.  But I was told by Barleycorn that unfortunately there had not been time to do this in
the rush to get them on to the market for Whitby...

If The Man From Barleycorn, he say "No", plus two other folks who know what they're talking
about also say "No", that's good enough for me. Thanks for that input...

Maybe in a year or two when they've had time to iron out the problems...
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Re: Minstrel Concertina
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2019, 01:01:38 PM »

...I think with a bit of extra time spent working on the reed tip gaps they could have been much
improved.  But I was told by Barleycorn that unfortunately there had not been time to do this in
the rush to get them on to the market for Whitby...

If The Man From Barleycorn, he say "No", plus two other folks who know what they're talking
about also say "No", that's good enough for me. Thanks for that input...

Maybe in a year or two when they've had time to iron out the problems...
The Blackthorn concertinas were being sold on the Barleycorn stand. The Man from Barleycorn (not the boss) admitted that there hadn't been time to set up the instruments properly. They might be better now. Worth giving them a try anyway.

I also think you were rather more impressed with APJ anglo when you played it.
Yes - you've got a good'n there!  (:)
I just wish I'd had more time to hear it and play it when we were down in Stowmarket.
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