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WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« on: January 13, 2020, 10:41:32 PM »

WTB  a "Wyper patent" International in original tuning - which probably means unrestored.   Ideally a 2 row "half-stop" B/C  - either 19 key or 21 key.

Would consider other tunings- but not  C/C# . Specifically looking for an example of a "Wyper's patent"- rather than a generic "Wyper Type" .

Are there any out there looking to be rehomed?
 





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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2020, 11:12:33 PM »

I have one "P. Wyper's Patent International melodeon Registered No. 7983". Bought on a whim, more as a decoration than with a view to repair, so no idea about tuning. It would need a full rebuild. Email if you would like pictures.
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2020, 07:36:22 PM »

That sounds interesting. pm sent.
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 03:12:45 PM »

Box sent today, keep us updated with your progress with bringing it back to life!
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2020, 06:58:13 PM »

This is quite exciting for some of us!
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2020, 11:22:14 PM »

Box sent today, keep us updated with your progress with bringing it back to life!

Restoration in public domain!..this gets scary motivational  (:) Tracking says box is on it's way to parcelforce hub....

I wonder if subject to progress Theo might move this thread to Instrument Design Construction and Repair.
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2020, 11:34:27 PM »

Will do
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 07:21:34 PM »

Thanks Theo.
The box is now in Inverness....hopefully on the Royal Mail lorry for Port Righ tonight. It does occur to me that this is the easy bit.
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2020, 10:43:55 PM »

She? arrived today. Encouragingly there is a B stamped on the back of the keyboard and a faded but legible oval label "B" on top of the bass end bellows frame. Leakage too much to get more than a short squeak out of any note.  I think the B means B and a high pitched B at that. (if it means Bb that's an even higher pitched Bb).

Getting the box airtight enough to verify real tunings of individual reeds is an early priority

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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2020, 06:23:48 AM »

So, how about a picture or three? (In English, preferably.)
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2020, 10:54:43 PM »

So, how about a picture or three? (In English, preferably.)
It occurs to me that it would be no loss to English speakers to document a project like this in Gaidhlig...but a positive benefit to the Gaidhlig music community. I am sure even Winston can translate pictures- just not my deviant Gaidhlig verbal reasoning.

View from above - other members have mentioned B labels on these instruments, but I thought those labels were inside ( as is the A&D label inside my Vienna model).

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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2020, 11:06:11 PM »

I've seen the same B label on the outside of Wyper models
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2020, 11:38:19 PM »

I've seen the same B label on the outside of Wyper models
On this one B is also stamped into the wooden back of the keyboard - I have been having problems in reducing file sizes otherwise would have posted more photos.
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2020, 01:34:58 AM »

So, how about a picture or three? (In English, preferably.)
It occurs to me that it would be no loss to English speakers to document a project like this in Gaidhlig...but a positive benefit to the Gaidhlig music community. I am sure even Winston can translate pictures- just not my deviant Gaidhlig verbal reasoning.

View from above - other members have mentioned B labels on these instruments, but I thought those labels were inside ( as is the A&D label inside my Vienna model).

Yes, the top of the box, outside, is where I expect to see the paper labels. On the 2 row boxes like this that I've seen, labeled "B," the melody rows have been in BC but very high pitch, so that without the "B" label others might interpret them as "low pitch CC#"

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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2020, 08:26:59 AM »

I’ve found it’s possible to tune the high pitch down to 440 concert pitch BC without compromising the reeds.  I did one such for Luke Daniels which he used a couple of years ago when he re-recorded an album of William Hannah arrangements.
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2020, 08:45:26 AM »

Is this likely to be a good quality musical instrument when fettled, or is the interest mainly historical?
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2020, 07:46:16 PM »

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Is this likely to be a good quality musical instrument when fettled, or is the interest mainly historical?

Very good I would say.  See this thread (esp. reply #2):  http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,17470.0.html
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2020, 06:06:21 PM »

I’ve found it’s possible to tune the high pitch down to 440 concert pitch BC without compromising the reeds.  I did one such for Luke Daniels which he used a couple of years ago when he re-recorded an album of William Hannah arrangements.

I am likely to keep this one at it's original pitch- it will be interesting to find out whether the tuning is just or even tempered.

Just as a matter of interest- was that the "William Hannah" model Excelsior? It would be interesting to know the original pitch of that one if you kept a record of it. I have to confess growing curiousity about the pitching/tuning of early Scottish melodeons.
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2020, 06:20:46 PM »

I don’t have a record handy of the original pitch of that Wm Hannah box,  but I do have another one here that is in poor mechanical condition, and missing it’s treble reeds, but it has  a full 5 voice set of reeds for the 24 button stradella bass.  The C button is not marked, but each reed is pitched approximately half way between notes at 440.  I’m not aware of a pitch standard that was close to a semitone flat of 440, so I think it’s safe to assume that this was old high pitch at around 453.
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Re: WTB a "P.Wyper's Patent" International
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2020, 06:23:02 PM »

By the way Luke’s comment on the Hannah box was that the bass end was very heavy in comparison to the treble and the bass uses so much air, even after restoration as to make the bass end almost unplayable. 
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