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[baz parkes]

I am musically illiterate...(is there a musical equivalent?) and easily confused...some of the discussions here lose me after the first thread, but...

Suppose someone had recently acquired a D/G Lilliput, and had written what s/he thought was quite a nice step hop using only the five buttons on the accidental row, what key might they be playing in (theoretically of course...)

[Chris Ryall]

Most likely C# as that key has those notes. But could be a mode of F# or several other keys

[tirpous]

What are the notes available on the accidental row ?

[Matthew B]

The ancient and venerable fingering chart I have from my first ever box list these as the half-row notes.

On a 25 button C/F the helpers are F#/G#, D#/C#, D/D#, F#/G#

On an Bb/Eb the helpers are E/F#, Db/B, C/Db, E/F#

Any chance we could hear this hypothetical tune?  I'd be very interested . . .

[Andy Next Tune]

If the step-hop in a traditional style, then you may find the key corresponds to the note the tune finishes on.
Unless it is one of those tunes that doesn't want to finish!

[baz parkes]

The ancient and venerable fingering chart I have from my first ever box list these as the half-row notes.

On a 25 button C/F the helpers are F#/G#, D#/C#, D/D#, F#/G#

On an Bb/Eb the helpers are E/F#, Db/B, C/Db, E/F#

Any chance we could hear this hypothetical tune?  I'd be very interested . . .

Thanks...but it's been re tuned to D/G...I presume the helper row has been similarly adjusted...might have to mess about with a tuner...


As to your second question...we'll see...

[baz parkes]

I am musically illiterate...using only the five buttons on the accidental row

I also appear to have become innumerate...there are of course only four accidental buttons...

[howard mitchell]

Assuming Matthew B's C/F layout of F#/G#, D#/C#, D/D#, F#/G# has been transposed up a tone on your D/G box, you have -

G#/A#, F/D#, E/F, G#/A#
or to put it in flats
Ab/Bb, F/Eb, E/F, Ab/Bb

That gives you the following major scales or related modes -
4 notes of a Eb major scale Eb, F, not G, Ab, Bb, not C, not D (1,2,4,5)
4 notes of the Ab major scale Ab, Bb, not C, not Db, Eb, F, not G (1,2,5,6)
3 notes of the E major scale E, not F#, G#, not A, not B, not C#, D# (1,3,7)
3 notes of a Bb major scale Bb, not C, not D, Eb, F, not G, not A (1,4,5)

I would hazard a guess it's Eb major or its related Dorian mode F Dorian.

Mitch

[baz parkes]

Assuming Matthew B's C/F layout of F#/G#, D#/C#, D/D#, F#/G# has been transposed up a tone on your D/G box, you have -

G#/A#, F/D#, E/F, G#/A#
or to put it in flats
Ab/Bb, F/Eb, E/F, Ab/Bb

That gives you the following major scales or related modes -
4 notes of a Eb major scale Eb, F, not G, Ab, Bb, not C, not D (1,2,4,5)
4 notes of the Ab major scale Ab, Bb, not C, not Db, Eb, F, not G (1,2,5,6)
3 notes of the E major scale E, not F#, G#, not A, not B, not C#, D# (1,3,7)
3 notes of a Bb major scale Bb, not C, not D, Eb, F, not G, not A (1,4,5)

I would hazard a guess it's Eb major or its related Dorian mode F Dorian.

Mitch

Ta

[Alan Pittwood]

Given the notes of the Ab major scale that are available[not available]:
1 Ab
2 Bb
[ not 3 C ]
[ not 4 Db ]
5 Eb
6 F
[ not 7 G ]

And that the major pentatonic scale is 1, 2, 3, 5, 6

there seems to be a fair case for Ab major pentatonic: Ab Bb [with a missing 3rd, the C] Eb F

[malcolmbebb]

Depending on who tuned it, and who had it tuned, the helper row might not be a straight key change. Microbot at least was happy to change to the user's personal layout.

[tirpous]

Yes, this is why I was asking for the notes earlier.  Liliputs are believed to have been made only in C/F and Bb/Eb so a D/G one is a one-off retuned by definition.