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Performance Issues
« on: October 13, 2009, 09:50:36 AM »

I was playing with a duo at a folk festival on Sunday and realised that there's so much more to consider.

Firstly, it was so hot, my fingers were near slipping of the buttons. Any suggestions  ???

I was attached to two beyer opus 62 mics. Don't play enough for this to feel normal. Should I practice at home with the mics on  ???

Standing up for an hour and playing for the hour is quite hard.

The sound is just strange compared to practice.

Lots of faces looking at you  ;D ;D ;D

Wear something that doesn't encourage my melodeon straps to fall off.  :o

Just a thought that it's a different league and so much more than just playing.

Always so much to learn !

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Sandy
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2009, 10:08:00 AM »

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Just a thought that it's a different league and so much more than just playing

When it becomes "just playing" may be you have reached the end of your journey to greatness ?

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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2009, 10:09:41 AM »


Firstly, it was so hot, my fingers were near slipping of the buttons. Any suggestions  ???

my fingers and hands get sweaty when I just practice at home. Tend to have to run them under cold water in advance.

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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2009, 10:34:04 AM »

Good for you Sandy!
I play lots of different instruments, in lots of different bands - here's my take on your very good points:

Firstly, it was so hot, my fingers were near slipping of the buttons. Any suggestions  Yes, a small bar towel or similar, tucked away near your playing area.  I always get this.  The lights, the room temperature, the nerves - they all contribute.

I was attached to two beyer opus 62 mics. Don't play enough for this to feel normal. Should I practice at home with the mics on  Yes, try to replicate your "gigging" setup at home when you practice.

Standing up for an hour and playing for the hour is quite hard.. Yes, I try to have an amplifier, a flight case, or something I can sit on between bouts of playing - sometimes a stool or chair just isn't "Rock and Roll".   A lightweight bar stool can still look quite cool, as you almost look as though you're standing up.

The sound is just strange compared to practice.. Yes, if you have the luxury of monitors, tell the sound man what you WANT, not what's wrong.   "Please turn the bass down, and the Melodeon up, in my monitor", is far more use to him than "The bass is really muggy".  Alternatively, try to adjust the stage positions of you, the band, and the gear around you, so that you can get a sound you're comfortable with.   Remember that the stage sound you hear is VERY different to the "House" sound the audience hears.

Lots of faces looking at you    Yes, hopefully all smiling/dancing/grooving on down! (:) A nice feeling when you get used to it.

Wear something that doesn't encourage my melodeon straps to fall off.  Hmm yeah, maybe a quick wardrobe test drive at some point?

Just a thought that it's a different league and so much more than just playing. Yes, it's a whole different ball game, it's a performance, a service, a business arrangement, a present, a chance to experiment, a learning experience etc etc etc.  I love it.
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2009, 11:38:18 AM »

Hi,
One thing you may find,and it is something that always happens when my daughter has a gig,either solo or in a band,is a bout of depression maybe even a day latter.
You are on quite a high with the adrenaline then when you come down it can be quite a shock,especially to family and friends who don't understand.
If you are aware of it then you can cope.
I think this is why some performers use drugs because they haven't had the backing to know how to cope with the lows

Pete
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2009, 11:44:28 AM »

Hi,
One thing you may find,and it is something that always happens when my daughter has a gig,either solo or in a band,is a bout of depression maybe even a day latter.
You are on quite a high with the adrenaline then when you come down it can be quite a shock,especially to family and friends who don't understand.
If you are aware of it then you can cope.

Pete

I find that after a ~4 hour band booking followed by ~1 hour drive home I am knackered but unable to sleep as I am still buzzing, thus next day is a bit low key to say the least.

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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2009, 12:06:33 PM »

I find that after a ~4 hour band booking followed by ~1 hour drive home I am knackered but unable to sleep as I am still buzzing, thus next day is a bit low key to say the least.

Absolutely - we used to have a near monopoly on one hall with our concertina player living close by.  Everyone back to his for bacon, onion and brown sauce sarnies with mugs of tea.  Far more calming than more beer...  Still never yet got to sleep before 2am after a gig!
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2009, 12:26:15 PM »

Thank you Ga for lots of information.  (:)

Hi,
One thing you may find,and it is something that always happens when my daughter has a gig,either solo or in a band,is a bout of depression maybe even a day latter.
You are on quite a high with the adrenaline then when you come down it can be quite a shock,especially to family and friends who don't understand.
If you are aware of it then you can cope.
Pete

Yes. I was hoping to wind down and watch Little Johnny England finish the festival but I had to rush to pick the children up and be back in total mum mode which I love. (wouldn't have minded an hour though  ::)) . Think maybe I was a bit quiet yesterday  :-\

Everyday, I learn something new on this forum. The biggest thing I have learnt about melodeon playing is just how much there is to learn.....and 'that' is what I find really exciting. I shall never be tired of just playing. Given the time, I would happily lock myself away for a few hours each day to practice, practice, practice and extend my limited knowledge of tunes.

I need to know a bit about performance now but I'm no frontline person and don't have much experience. I could do with all the help/info I can get. 

Thanks again

Sandy
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2009, 12:29:46 PM »

Hi,
One thing you may find,and it is something that always happens when my daughter has a gig,either solo or in a band,is a bout of depression maybe even a day latter.
You are on quite a high with the adrenaline then when you come down it can be quite a shock,especially to family and friends who don't understand.
If you are aware of it then you can cope.

Pete

I find that after a ~4 hour band booking followed by ~1 hour drive home I am knackered but unable to sleep as I am still buzzing, thus next day is a bit low key to say the least.


Completely agree with you on this one Lester! Such a great feeling though.
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2009, 12:31:45 PM »

Hi,
As I said above,its not the rush after the gig but the low,which can effect 1-2 days later.
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2009, 12:38:55 PM »

May I make a plea for the man with the band's equipment, who, having stacked up his van/people carrier/large estate with the heavy speakers/cables/sound desk/mikes/stands/keyboard/monitors, has to unload it all at the other end after a long drive home, make sure he has got everything back, and then retire to bed in the wee small hours, without having experienced too much of a buzz.  Unsung heroes, all!
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2009, 12:59:01 PM »

May I make a plea for the man with the band's equipment, who, having stacked up his van/people carrier/large estate with the heavy speakers/cables/sound desk/mikes/stands/keyboard/monitors, has to unload it all at the other end after a long drive home, make sure he has got everything back, and then retire to bed in the wee small hours, without having experienced too much of a buzz.  Unsung heroes, all!

You have a man to do this - luxury.

Our guitartist has the amps, half the drum kit, mics, cables, speaker stands and guitars
The drumer/caller has the rest of the drum kit, one speaker
The recorder player, the other speaker and the monitor
I only have my boxes, my mics and the all important mains extension lead.

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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2009, 01:44:31 PM »

Re: sweaty hands, try washing your hands in a saline solution before you play. You could always use chalk I suppose, but that may be a little extreme (and bad for the box).

I always have a chair to sit down on between sets. A box is a lot heavier than a fiddle and I can't stand up for hours on end.

The post-gig crash is a bit of a problem for me sometimes, not least because some of my acutest moments of euphoria have been when performing. However, I've been doing it long enough that I can handle it most of the time.
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2009, 02:25:52 PM »

I'm not  very experienced at playing gigs, but I do know that every time is so different. The atmosphere, acoustics, level of noise/ nerves etc. I sometimes fine it very hard to hear the fiddle player (who leads us) and then it is a very uncomfortable experience.  I really have to focus my mind and be almost business like and it is only at the end that I feel I have enjoyed it. Hmmmmm why do I keep doing it? And I never drink alcohol, cos I can't play and drink!!
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2009, 02:33:26 PM »

And I never drink alcohol, cos I can't play and drink!!

I tried drinking & playing (hurdy gurdy) once ... one pint of
beer was ok .. but after the second one playing was 'quite difficult'  :|glug
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2009, 02:51:05 PM »

It definitely gets better after the third though. Everyone knows that.

The problem with being a teetotal players is that,. at the end of the night, as you are sober and no one else is you are the best player in the room - but no one cares    ::)

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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2009, 03:38:11 PM »

It definitely gets better after the third though. Everyone knows that.

The problem with being a teetotal players is that,. at the end of the night, as you are sober and no one else is you are the best player in the room - but no one cares    ::)

Aye, I feel your pain.

Another annoyance is that being the only melodeon player in the room, whenever I do something particularly difficult or clever, nobody notices :P
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2009, 04:01:26 PM »

i found that my hands get sweaty too, so on the way to a session i call into my local pub, have a pint and (if no ones playing, or looking!) i run my hands over the cloth they use to clean the darts score board, the chalk helps a fair bit, also i was talking to a box player the other day that said if he drinks alcohol, then plays , hes terrible, but if he plays first , then starts drinking between tunes hes fine! weird hey?
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2009, 05:01:59 PM »

.... i was talking to a box player the other day that said if he drinks alcohol, then plays , hes terrible, but if he plays first , then starts drinking between tunes hes fine! weird hey?

Not weird at all, and others including myself find the same thing. Hard to explain why, but I think it's that once you've had a pint or so, it's hard to summon up the will or the concentration to play well, or even start at all. If you start playing first and then have a drink, you're already into the swing of it, and drinking relaxes you as you go. At some point the perfect balance will be reached, but eventually it will take it's toll... :||: :|||: :|glug :|glug  :||: :|||:???
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Re: Performance Issues
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2009, 06:55:34 PM »

.... i was talking to a box player the other day that said if he drinks alcohol, then plays , hes terrible, but if he plays first , then starts drinking between tunes hes fine! weird hey?

Not weird at all, and others including myself find the same thing. Hard to explain why, but I think it's that once you've had a pint or so, it's hard to summon up the will or the concentration to play well, or even start at all. If you start playing first and then have a drink, you're already into the swing of it, and drinking relaxes you as you go. At some point the perfect balance will be reached, but eventually it will take it's toll... :||: :|||: :|glug :|glug  :||: :|||:???

I think if you're relatively new and have a few drinks, the wheels may fall off. If you have a "core" developed over time, you will play better in many cases. A tune that is well rehearsed is in a different part of your brain then one learned 2-3 weeks ago.

In any event, total improvisation can improve a lot. This is an individual thing, btw.

Disclaimer: All total shoot from the hip opinions above ;D
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