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What tune shall we choose as our tune of the month for December?

Emma
- 3 (4.4%)
Foul Weather Call
- 3 (4.4%)
God Rest You Merry Gentlemen
- 8 (11.8%)
Good King Wenceslas
- 3 (4.4%)
Hot Punch
- 6 (8.8%)
In the Bleak Midwinter
- 8 (11.8%)
Ladies Pleasure, Bledington
- 5 (7.4%)
Patapan
- 0 (0%)
Princess Royal
- 28 (41.2%)
Tip-Top Polka
- 4 (5.9%)

Total Members Voted: 63

Voting closed: December 01, 2009, 12:12:44 AM


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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #260 on: May 17, 2011, 11:12:22 AM »

Here's a late late late entry. Filmed in the gloaming of a wet Lake District May night, hence the grainy pic!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyVFB-ANKN4

That's great! It's so different to hear it in Bmin, and fwiw, I like it a lot.
Smooth, effective runs coupled with syncopated / swing into the new phrase ... lovely control.
One thought / question - I wonder what the effect would be if you played them in the opposite order? I was enjoying the Bmin version, and when it modulated to Gmaj that suddenly felt "safe & familiar" and therefore less exciting. Not the playing, you understand, just the piece.
I clicked back to the start of the Bmin version after the first time through of Gmaj and I think that works too.
Overall, great playing - rhythmic and controlled. Thanks.
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #261 on: May 17, 2011, 12:30:12 PM »

Okay sensible question. If you've got the major version what do you actually do playing wise to make it a minor version?

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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #262 on: May 17, 2011, 12:33:58 PM »

Here's a late late late entry. Filmed in the gloaming of a wet Lake District May night, hence the grainy pic!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyVFB-ANKN4

That's great! It's so different to hear it in Bmin, and fwiw, I like it a lot.
Smooth, effective runs coupled with syncopated / swing into the new phrase ... lovely control.
One thought / question - I wonder what the effect would be if you played them in the opposite order? I was enjoying the Bmin version, and when it modulated to Gmaj that suddenly felt "safe & familiar" and therefore less exciting. Not the playing, you understand, just the piece.
I clicked back to the start of the Bmin version after the first time through of Gmaj and I think that works too.
Overall, great playing - rhythmic and controlled. Thanks.

I think you're right Zubz - major/minor would probably be better. To come clean, the reason it's that way round is that I thought I was quite likely to 'lose it' playing in Bm so it was less to go back over to re-record. A less dodgy reason is that G to Bm is a bit odd - the ear 'expects' to hear Em.
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #263 on: May 17, 2011, 12:43:55 PM »

I think you're right Zubz - major/minor would probably be better. To come clean, the reason it's that way round is that I thought I was quite likely to 'lose it' playing in Bm so it was less to go back over to re-record. A less dodgy reason is that G to Bm is a bit odd - the ear 'expects' to hear Em.

 ;D

Sometimes it's good to not pander to what the ear 'expects' - keep 'em on their toes, I say!
Unless it just causes frustration, of course. If I've heard the story correctly, apparently in his youthful days Beethoven's parents used to get him out of bed by simply playing just the first 7 notes of a major scale - he couldn't lie there with the octave unresolved so he had to get up! (Probably apocryphal, but I like the story anyway  (:) )
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #264 on: May 17, 2011, 12:45:00 PM »

Okay sensible question. If you've got the major version what do you actually do playing wise to make it a minor version?
Sensible but not that easy to give a comprehensible answer. Each major key has a relative minor - i.e. the same sharps/flats but starting on a different note. Bminor is the relative minor to D - i.e the scale starts on B and has an F# and C#. Not sure if that's what you mean. In terms of playing the relevant buttons - it would sound better in Eminor but I would either run out of high end notes or low end ones depending which octave I started in. Also playing wise - there's not too much in common finger wise when one plays a minor version of a tune c/w the major version, imho. I've no doubt, and am hoping, that more expert players and musicians on here will explain this all in much clearer terms if you'd like. Mcg :Ph
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #265 on: May 17, 2011, 12:47:41 PM »

Okay sensible question. If you've got the major version what do you actually do playing wise to make it a minor version?
Sensible but not that easy to give a comprehensible answer. Each major key has a relative minor - i.e. the same sharps/flats but starting on a different note. Bminor is the relative minor to D - i.e the scale starts on B and has an F# and C#. Not sure if that's what you mean. In terms of playing the relevant buttons - it would sound better in Eminor but I would either run out of high end notes or low end ones depending which octave I started in. Also playing wise - there's not too much in common finger wise when one plays a minor version of a tune c/w the major version, imho. I've no doubt, and am hoping, that more expert players and musicians on here will explain this all in much clearer terms if you'd like. Mcg :Ph
I was hoping it would be something easy like use same fingering but start a button below what you usually would.

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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #266 on: May 17, 2011, 12:58:29 PM »

Okay sensible question. If you've got the major version what do you actually do playing wise to make it a minor version?

I was hoping it would be something easy like use same fingering but start a button below what you usually would.

I can't see an alternative to either learning that bit of theory and learning the note names, or learning what the differences sound like and then playing by ear & experimentation.

There's also the approach that's just "muck about with notes, see what sounds good / different / interesting and then take it from there". Your idea of starting on the next button down is a good place to start, and then build, letting your ears guide you ....
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #267 on: May 18, 2011, 10:06:40 AM »

LtD - find the dots to the minor version and learn it. They're quite different tunes in places.
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #268 on: May 18, 2011, 12:22:32 PM »

LtD - find the dots to the minor version and learn it. They're quite different tunes in places.
anyone got link to the ABC?

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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #269 on: May 18, 2011, 01:35:42 PM »

LtD - find the dots to the minor version and learn it. They're quite different tunes in places.
anyone got link to the ABC?

Try http://www.folktunefinder.com

Most of the minor versions there are in D minor or G minor so there's still some transposing to do if you're playing a D/G melodeon.
Also there isn't just one minor tune - there are lots of collected "Princess Royal" tunes from different morris traditions.
And search for "Miss MacDermott" - That's O'Carolan's name for the same tune. I just tried, and came up with This which is in E minor, for example, but not very melodeon friendly.

The Adderbury tune works on a standard D/G box and is particularly nice,  as is the dance that goes with it - I have a vivid memory of playing it for Hammersmith dancing as a 12-man set.
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #270 on: May 18, 2011, 02:18:30 PM »

Too many versions. :(

The Adderbury tune works on a standard D/G box and is particularly nice,  as is the dance that goes with it - I have a vivid memory of playing it for Hammersmith dancing as a 12-man set.

you played as 12 men?  ;)

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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #271 on: May 18, 2011, 04:01:34 PM »

Too many versions. :(

The Adderbury tune works on a standard D/G box and is particularly nice,  as is the dance that goes with it - I have a vivid memory of playing it for Hammersmith dancing as a 12-man set.

you played as 12 men?  ;)

Being PC shouldn't it be a 12 person set...!
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #272 on: May 18, 2011, 04:10:29 PM »

Being PC shouldn't it be a 12 person set...!

PC  ???
This is Smiffs we're talking about.

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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #273 on: May 18, 2011, 05:07:17 PM »

Being PC shouldn't it be a 12 person set...!

PC  ???
This is Smiffs we're talking about.

He he   ;D
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #274 on: May 18, 2011, 08:40:52 PM »

Being PC shouldn't it be a 12 person set...!
PC  ???
This is Smiffs we're talking about.

As a former member of Hammersmith (no mention of Smiffs in those days), I can only deplore the decline in standards among the youth of today!  ::)
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #275 on: May 23, 2011, 03:20:55 PM »

LtD - find the dots to the minor version and learn it. They're quite different tunes in places.
anyone got link to the ABC?
Sorry for the delay - here's the ABC for the version I played in Bminor plus or minus a few slight variations.

X:27
T:Princess Royal,(Bm) Bampton
M:2/2
L:1/8
Q:1/4=140
A:Bampton
P:AAB(CB)2
K:Bmin
P:A
fe|"D"d2"A"c2"Bm" B2fe|"D"d2"A"cd "Bm"B2df|"Em"g2e2 efge|"D"f2fe dcdf|
"A"e2d2 c2B2|"A"ABAF"D" D2fe|"Bm"d2cB"A" c2f2|"Bm"B4 B2:||
P:B
z2|"D"d'2d'2 d'2c'd'|"A"e'2a2 a4|"D"d'"A"'c'ba"A" gfe"D"d|"A"ceA2 A4|
"Bm"B2Bc dcde|"Bm"f2f2"G" b3b|"D"a2f2"Em" g3g |"Bm"f2B2"A" e4|
"D"fedc"Bm" Bcde|"Bm"f2B2 B2fe|"D"d2cB"A" c2f2|"Bm"B4 B2:||
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #276 on: May 23, 2011, 03:27:14 PM »

Okay sensible question. If you've got the major version what do you actually do playing wise to make it a minor version?
I was hoping it would be something easy like use same fingering but start a button below what you usually would.
My friend (Hugh Taylor of this parish) pointed out that if you pull instead of push you tend to end up with A minor on the G row and E minor on the D row (adjust as appropriate for F/C boxes etc.). But I must admit that this just makes my head hurt! I'd rather just learn the tune. I think he finds it a bit weird when I play stuff in Bm too rather than what he considers would be easier i.e. Am or Em.
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #277 on: September 08, 2011, 06:21:33 PM »

Recorded this a few months back with the intention of posting and for some reason didn't.  So here it is now ...
http://youtu.be/NimhyMpVuX0
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #278 on: September 08, 2011, 08:46:38 PM »

Nice, clean, solid playing jsc. Keep it up.  ;D
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Re: Tune of the Month for December 2009 - Princess Royal
« Reply #279 on: May 18, 2012, 12:53:08 PM »

Here is my version played on a Saltarelle Connemara III.
http://youtu.be/FVEITVLsxgU

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