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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #500 on: March 03, 2012, 09:43:16 PM »

As someone who's prone to mixing tunes up, what do people think to mashing 2 (or more) tunes together? Could either be as simple as putting the A part of one tune with the B part of another, or using elements of 2 tunes together, resulting in what could possibly be classed as a completely new tune.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #501 on: March 04, 2012, 12:39:10 PM »

This can cause problems in some instances.

For example, quite a few people play the B music of The Quaker with the A music of Walter Bulwer's Polka No.2, possibly without realising that it is from a different tune. Sometimes when I start Walter Bulwer's in a session, other musicians charge straight into the B music of The Quaker without taking a blind bit of notice that I am playing the B music of Walter Bulwer's. Frustrating!

...anyway, why would you want to mix up the A and B musics of different tunes?
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #502 on: March 04, 2012, 02:19:11 PM »


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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #503 on: March 04, 2012, 02:20:19 PM »

For fun?  ::)
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #504 on: March 04, 2012, 03:12:31 PM »

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #505 on: March 05, 2012, 01:38:44 AM »

It would confuse the hell out of me. Then again, I have a remarkable facility for doing it naturally...

Actually I'm more likely to only be able to remember one half of a tune at the moment. My memory for tunes is all over the place, always has been.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #506 on: March 05, 2012, 10:14:58 AM »

This can cause problems in some instances.

For example, quite a few people play the B music of The Quaker with the A music of Walter Bulwer's Polka No.2, possibly without realising that it is from a different tune. Sometimes when I start Walter Bulwer's in a session, other musicians charge straight into the B music of The Quaker without taking a blind bit of notice that I am playing the B music of Walter Bulwer's. Frustrating!

...anyway, why would you want to mix up the A and B musics of different tunes?

I agree with Bob. There is enough potential for confusion of A and B musics without deliberately introducing another factor. My pet hate is when I start the Redowa Polka in a session. When we get to the B music there is invariably some cloth-eared plonker who belts out the B music of 'Girl with a Blue Dress On'  >:(
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #507 on: March 05, 2012, 10:27:22 AM »

In the format of I'm sorry I haven't a clue...what abot one song to the tune of another? ;) :p

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #508 on: March 05, 2012, 03:27:25 PM »

In the format of I'm sorry I haven't a clue...what about one song to the tune of another? ;) :p

Hasn't this been done already? There are probably very few folk tunes to which While Shepherds Watch hasn't been sung.  >:E
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #509 on: March 05, 2012, 03:38:54 PM »

This can cause problems in some instances.

For example, quite a few people play the B music of The Quaker with the A music of Walter Bulwer's Polka No.2, possibly without realising that it is from a different tune. Sometimes when I start Walter Bulwer's in a session, other musicians charge straight into the B music of The Quaker without taking a blind bit of notice that I am playing the B music of Walter Bulwer's. Frustrating!

...anyway, why would you want to mix up the A and B musics of different tunes?

I agree with Bob. There is enough potential for confusion of A and B musics without deliberately introducing another factor. My pet hate is when I start the Redowa Polka in a session. When we get to the B music there is invariably some cloth-eared plonker who belts out the B music of 'Girl with a Blue Dress On'  >:(

If they don't know any better, then it's hardly their fault. I can understand the frustration, but I think you're both being a little harsh.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #510 on: March 05, 2012, 03:56:00 PM »

This can cause problems in some instances.

For example, quite a few people play the B music of The Quaker with the A music of Walter Bulwer's Polka No.2, possibly without realising that it is from a different tune. Sometimes when I start Walter Bulwer's in a session, other musicians charge straight into the B music of The Quaker without taking a blind bit of notice that I am playing the B music of Walter Bulwer's. Frustrating!

...anyway, why would you want to mix up the A and B musics of different tunes?


I guess much of that problem comes from the recordings that Walter Bulwer made using the B part of the Quaker.  Apparently he thought it was better than the original.

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #511 on: March 05, 2012, 05:58:27 PM »

For example, quite a few people play the B music of The Quaker with the A music of Walter Bulwer's Polka No.2

Largely, I suspect, because it's in one of Nick Barber's tune books that way.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #512 on: March 06, 2012, 12:55:47 AM »

This can cause problems in some instances.

For example, quite a few people play the B music of The Quaker with the A music of Walter Bulwer's Polka No.2, possibly without realising that it is from a different tune. Sometimes when I start Walter Bulwer's in a session, other musicians charge straight into the B music of The Quaker without taking a blind bit of notice that I am playing the B music of Walter Bulwer's. Frustrating!

...anyway, why would you want to mix up the A and B musics of different tunes?

I agree with Bob. There is enough potential for confusion of A and B musics without deliberately introducing another factor. My pet hate is when I start the Redowa Polka in a session. When we get to the B music there is invariably some cloth-eared plonker who belts out the B music of 'Girl with a Blue Dress On'  >:(

If they don't know any better, then it's hardly their fault. I can understand the frustration, but I think you're both being a little harsh.
Possibly, but in my opinion if you're playing at a session, you should be listening to each other, and especially listening to whoever started the tune.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #513 on: March 06, 2012, 04:21:10 AM »

I can understand the frustration of 2 tunes being mashed together in a session that were written a different way (I've been a culprit of this myself, it seems), but the Theme of the Month is a different beast, surely. It's to encourage difference, originality and apart from that, it would be either in the title or description of the recording.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #514 on: March 06, 2012, 05:35:00 PM »

Wot Steve said! It is courtesy to follow the lead of whoever started a tune and it is bad manners to play louder to drown out the person who started the tune when you realise that you are playing something different from them. Not everyone does this when they realise they are playing something different, but I have seen it happen a few times. For instance, a concertina player in The Elsinore at Whitby did this twice in the same evening with two different tunes!

I didn't realise until Rob mentioned it in this thread that Walter Bulwer himself sometimes played the B music of The Quaker with the A music of his Polka No.2, which probably explains why Nick Barber noted it in his book that way. However, I would still maintain that it is polite to follow the lead of whoever started the tune, even if they decide to put the A music of one tune with the B music of one you don't think goes together with it very well. If one doesn't like the combination, one can always have a rest, go to the loo, buy another drink or whatever.

This has taken the discussion away from the original proposition abouting mixing tunes together as a possible Theme of the Month. It doesn't appeal to me personally but, in a democracy, I am prepared to be outvoted....Oh, hang on, this isn't a democracy, it's a Cliveocracy.  >:E

In case anyone thinks I am criticising Clive's choices for Theme of the Month, I am not. Well done that man!
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Suggestion for future Theme of the Month
« Reply #515 on: March 10, 2012, 04:13:23 AM »

For a future Theme of the Month, how about the tarantella?
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #516 on: March 10, 2012, 09:39:45 AM »

Instead of A music from one tune and B music from another, how about a more homogeneous mixture of two tunes?
When we had The Ash Grove for ToTM, I did a set of variations in which the last was an unholy marriage between The Ash Grove and Stoney Steps. I'm sure simpler examples are possible  (:)

Related to that, and perhaps easier, is one tune in the style (especially rhythm) of another. Turning a jig into a waltz by playing it at half speed, or a morris tune as a mazurka, that kind of thing.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #517 on: March 10, 2012, 10:44:36 AM »

Instead of A music from one tune and B music from another, how about a more homogeneous mixture of two tunes?

That usually takes quite a lot of prior machination - a very interesting challenge though.

I did manage to sing the whole of an English folk song (think it was "Cousin Joe") as a 12 bar Blues at last year's Oxford Dance Camp  8) - but that's not the same thing.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #518 on: March 10, 2012, 10:52:11 AM »

Apropos of nothing, I prefer ThoTM(s) where the theme helps me to expand my repertoire of tunes I want to go on playing - in my case that's mostly English dance tunes. So I'd prefer something like tunes from a given collection, e.g. William Irwin or maybe a regional theme as in the recent discussion of tunes from the Yorkshire Dales. Even though I've not contributed to the Schottisches theme (yet?!) it's much more fruitful for me than the current Film Themes where I might learn summat like Star Wars as a novelty but would probably never play it again.  I don't think I was around when the Morris theme was done and I'm sure there's more could be done with that too - I love Morris tunes! Right, I'll shut up now. (:)
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #519 on: March 10, 2012, 11:02:00 AM »

Instead of A music from one tune and B music from another, how about a more homogeneous mixture of two tunes?


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