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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #680 on: August 05, 2013, 09:19:26 PM »

I have noticed that the song seems to be called Black Joak, although I have only seen Black Joke for the dance (apart from an alternative title of "Oh sh*t not that, I'm knackered already".

Although it would be fair comment, I feel, to point out that it may be dealt with perfectly adequately under "Morris Tunes" :-) (with Lester's spelling, of course). But as a hankie dance (Adderbury), or Bledington if you prefer sticks.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #681 on: August 05, 2013, 10:38:24 PM »

The correct spelling in most if not all Morris traditions for the tune and the dance is Black Joke!

Traditions derived from what exactly? Twentieth century re-writes of history? There's a great big hole in the middle of the tradition that has been rebuilt from the notes of Cecil Sharp and the like who collected tunes and stepping notes aurally and visually. Black Joak in the early twentieth century would indeed have been heard as Black Joke, ignoring at least a hundred years of documented spelling as Joak. John Kirkpatrick is very careful to name all of the various colours as "Joak's" in his music books because that is how they appeared in period manuscripts.

For the purposes of this debate we will of course entirely disregard the fact that the said Mr. Kirkpatrick did wantonly invent 'Border Morris' as a tradition and did conceive various tunes and such in order to hoodwink gullible souls that the beating of drums (out of time) and screeching horribly was indeed a traditional pastime.

Damn, did I just outmanoeuvre myself?

No, not at all. Lester, you're wrong!  ;) 8)
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #682 on: August 06, 2013, 08:19:07 AM »

Blimey,  all I did was suggest a jolly tune...not open a debate on what constitutes 'tradition'

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Apart from  other considerations I used the more traditional spelling of 'Black Joak' simply because that spelling is perhaps less likely to be misconstrued by the uninitiated and certainly less likely to result in unpleasant internet search results while trying to research the tune history (my coat is an anorak) and recorded versions. 

I agree it is essentially a morris tune and so could be dealt with under this month's theme of the month but then again so could a ridiculously high proportion of previous TOTM tunes  :D.  I guess that is a reflection of a large proportion of the membership of this forum.

Nice to see some variation from the theme this month with 'Lac de St Croix' in the chair, although with my level of ability I have no hope of doing it any justice I think it will be a good learning opportunity for me to explore other styles of playing once I return home from sunny Sidmouth.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #683 on: August 08, 2013, 08:00:22 PM »

Here's a pretty tune written by Concertina.net member Jody Kruskal played on a 38 key Dipper G/D anglo concertina. Pixie Wings: The Fairy Variations

It's a tune that lends itself to being played in a variety styles with ample opportunity for ornamentation and variation but stands up well if played simply. I messaged Jody and he's very happy for the tune to be used freely providing the usual niceties of crediting the composer and adding "Used by permission, all rights reserved" are observed when posting to Youtube/Soundcloud etc. Jody is going to send me a PDF of the music once he's updated it as it seems to have morphed quite a lot since it was first written.

I hope somebody else finds this piece as captivating as I do and thinks it worthy of entry into a monthly poll.  :||:
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #684 on: August 09, 2013, 10:38:41 PM »

Here's Jody's transcription of the general bones of the tune played in the YouTube clip.

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #685 on: September 03, 2013, 11:04:37 AM »

How about Delilah??    :||:   ;)   >:E
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #686 on: September 06, 2013, 11:21:34 AM »

How about Delilah??    :||:   ;)   >:E

Why, why, why?  :D

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #687 on: September 06, 2013, 11:39:30 AM »

thanks tallships, for lovely music, and art work....Hubert
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #688 on: September 07, 2013, 08:47:22 AM »

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #689 on: September 07, 2013, 09:20:08 AM »


 May I suggest this fine melody  >:E
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #690 on: September 07, 2013, 02:58:45 PM »

The Primrose Polka?
I second this one.  Great melody that really catches you unawares.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #691 on: September 08, 2013, 03:58:47 PM »

thanks tallships, for lovely music, and art work....Hubert

You're welcome, let's hope it gets another go!  :||: :|||: :||:
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #692 on: September 16, 2013, 02:48:08 PM »

Kristjani Reilender, a tune from Estonia. On the trip back from Bromyard, Owen (ukebert) and I listened to an album of Lõõtspill music from Estonia, and this tune jumped out at me. Owen has very kindly transcribed it in a DG friendly key.

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DE FG A2 A2 | Ad ce d2 ef | g2 eg f2 d2 | cd ed (3cBA (3GFE |
DE FG A2 A2 | Ad ce d2 ef | g2 eg f2 d2 |1 cd ec dB AF :|2 cd ec de fg ||
a2 ff f2 ef | g2 ee e2 de | f2 dd d2 cd | ed cB AB (3cBA |
d2 ef g2 ab | a2 ff f2 ef | gf ed cd ec |1 df ec de fg :|2 (3dBA (3GFE D4 ||

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #693 on: September 16, 2013, 02:54:15 PM »

"listened to an album of Lõõtspill music from Estonia"
what is the box on the left in the vid?  I don't mean the make... I mean what is it?

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #694 on: September 16, 2013, 02:58:50 PM »

That's a Lõõtspill, an Estonian diatonic button accordion. Bit of a thread on them here - http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,1781.0.html
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #695 on: September 19, 2013, 04:39:07 PM »

Suggestion for Futue Tunes Thread: Your party piece, i.e. the special sparkly tune that you play to entertain (or show off)
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #696 on: September 20, 2013, 07:48:42 AM »

Suggestion for Futue Tunes Thread: Your party piece, i.e. the special sparkly tune that you play to entertain (or show off)

Good idea, a very open theme and a fine way to better know each others.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #697 on: September 20, 2013, 01:13:23 PM »

Other suggestions.
Tunes that mean something to you - but you have to explain why it is special. Follows on from a thread the other day.
Local tunes, ones that come from or near your home town.
Holiday tunes. Tunes from where you went on holiday or maybe just ones you heard/learnt when on holiday.

one day I shall have to try recording something and join in the fun...
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #698 on: October 16, 2013, 04:40:53 PM »

Other suggestions.
Tunes that mean something to you - but you have to explain why it is special. Follows on from a thread the other day.
Local tunes, ones that come from or near your home town.
Holiday tunes. Tunes from where you went on holiday or maybe just ones you heard/learnt when on holiday.

one day I shall have to try recording something and join in the fun...

Great idea and really fun.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #699 on: October 17, 2013, 08:52:29 AM »

Agree
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