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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #140 on: January 26, 2010, 02:46:18 PM »

For tune of the month can I nominate cock of the north...mainly because I'd like to see what everyone does different with the tune. Plus its one of those tunes I go to peices on if I add in the LH.

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #141 on: January 27, 2010, 10:38:52 AM »


If you want to know how to say it, it is pronounced "mach-UN-lleth", ....


Here's an audio file (played a touch on the fast side, sorry) ....
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=11550


Ok, so any ideas anyone about how do you pronounce 'onmvoice'? ???
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #142 on: January 28, 2010, 06:42:55 AM »

Looks like Orange and Bloom then.

Could we have a tune that uses more than  4 buttons please :|glug
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #143 on: January 28, 2010, 07:25:10 AM »

Looks like Orange and Bloom then. Could we have a tune that uses more than  4 buttons please :|glug

Oh ... but it does  >:E

I'm quite taken by Steve's 'down the valleys' tune, and didn't think the mpg was too fast at all. Basically much of Machynlleth slips in 2 notes where other melodies play just one, which makes it sound fast. But that's music and they do join together rather well. Any mostly sound adjacent butons (I've not had a go yet). It's not that much more demanding than StP and might be a worthy next 'st(e)p'.  OK there are 4 parts to learn but 3/4 are basically variations on 1/2  - and are traditional (it says here) :|glug

http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=11550  - nice arrangement! :D  I love that drone .....

Ok, so any ideas anyone about how do you pronounce 'onmvoice'? ???

Dunno - the Georgians make wine in a Kvevri - we could ask them (I doubt it's Welsh)
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #144 on: January 28, 2010, 08:43:52 AM »

I'm quite taken by Steve's 'down the valleys' tune, and didn't think the mpg was too fast at all....
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http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=11550  - nice arrangement! :D  I love that drone .....
Thanks Chris!  :|glug
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #145 on: January 28, 2010, 08:52:36 AM »

It would nice to have (a) a happy tune (b) not a waltz

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #146 on: January 28, 2010, 08:54:11 AM »

It would nice to have (a) a happy tune (b) not a waltz

(a) is subjective but Orange in Bloom is not a waltz thus fulfilling (b)

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #147 on: January 28, 2010, 09:03:38 AM »

It would nice to have (a) a happy tune (b) not a waltz

(a) is subjective but Orange in Bloom is not a waltz thus fulfilling (b)
What is it then...haven't seen it written down or heard it properly before.

Why is there two names up? Orange in bloom and sherborne waltz?

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #148 on: January 28, 2010, 09:11:48 AM »

What is it then...haven't seen it written down or heard it properly before.

Why are there two names up? Orange in Bloom and Sherborne Waltz?

As I wrote recently in another thread, Orange in Bloom is in 6/8 time, which makes it a jig. However, it is played slowly and with syncopation to suit the Morris dance. It is easily transposed into 3/4 time and when played socially as a waltz is known as the Sherborne Waltz.
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #149 on: January 28, 2010, 09:16:41 AM »

It would nice to have (a) a happy tune (b) not a waltz

(a) is subjective but Orange in Bloom is not a waltz thus fulfilling (b)
What is it then...haven't seen it written down or heard it properly before.

Why is there two names up? Orange in bloom and sherborne waltz?

Well. Orange in Bloom is probably played most often in sessions as a waltz, but originally it wasn't - it's a slow jig used for morris. Here's a version picked off youtube at random, used for dancing and played as a jig:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlJrpYwP0-Q

Now... sometime in the 70's/80's (I think, someone may correct me on this - this is from memory, and I've no idea where I heard this), Rod Stradling thought that if he slowed it down a bit, and change the time signature, and hey presto, it's a lovely waltz. This he called 'The Sherbourne Waltz' (Orange in Bloom being a Sherbourne tradition tune). Here's a lovely guitar version of it I've just found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbdM5Obgxo0

So it's all about time signatures. Most people call the tune Orange in Bloom even when played as a waltz. It's a very flexible tune, capable of being played in many styles so (in my opinion) makes a great TOTM nomination.

Cheers,

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #150 on: January 28, 2010, 09:17:53 AM »

What is it then...haven't seen it written down or heard it properly before.

Why are there two names up? Orange in Bloom and Sherborne Waltz?

As I wrote recently in another thread, Orange in Bloom is in 6/8 time, which makes it a jig. However, it is played slowly and with syncopation to suit the Morris dance. It is easily transposed into 3/4 time and when played socially as a waltz is known as the Sherborne Waltz.
What if I don't want to play it for morris but don't want to play it as a waltz either...is that sacrilege?

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #151 on: January 28, 2010, 09:19:27 AM »


What if I don't want to play it for morris but don't want to play it as a waltz either...is that sacrilege?

There's so many other ways we could play it! Perhaps I feel a 5/4 version coming on!  >:E

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #152 on: January 28, 2010, 09:20:46 AM »

What is it then...haven't seen it written down or heard it properly before.

Why are there two names up? Orange in Bloom and Sherborne Waltz?

As I wrote recently in another thread, Orange in Bloom is in 6/8 time, which makes it a jig. However, it is played slowly and with syncopation to suit the Morris dance. It is easily transposed into 3/4 time and when played socially as a waltz is known as the Sherborne Waltz.
What if I don't want to play it for morris but don't want to play it as a waltz either...is that sacrilege?

The tunes won't mind!

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #153 on: January 28, 2010, 09:30:54 AM »

For clarity the ABCs for the two variants below. Not only is OiB in 6/8 but it has a C part that is partly in 4/4.

X: 1
T:Orange in Bloom
M:6/8
K:G
D | EGE DGA | BdB A2B | GEE DGA | BGG G2 D |
EGE DGA | BdB A2B | GEE DGA | BGG G3 ||
BAB/2c/2 d2B | AGA Bcd | edB AGA | BAG E2D |
EGE DGA | BdB A2B | GEE DGA | B2G G3 ||
M:4/4
L:1/8
BABc d2B2 |AGA2  Bcd2|edB2  AGA2 |BAG2  E3D|
M:6/8
E>GE D<GA |B<dB  A2B |G>EE  D<GA |B<GG  G3||

X: 1
T:Sherborne Waltz
M:3/4
K:G
D|E>GE|DGA|BdB|A2B/A/|GFE|DGA|BGG|G2 D|
E>GE|DGA|BdB|A2B/A/|GFE|DGA|BGG|G3||
B>AB/c/|dcB|AGA|Bcd|edB|AGA|BAG|E2D|
EGE|DGA|BdB|A2B/A/|GFE|DGA|BGG|G3||

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #154 on: January 28, 2010, 09:31:15 AM »


What if I don't want to play it for morris but don't want to play it as a waltz either...is that sacrilege?

There's so many other ways we could play it! Perhaps I feel a 5/4 version coming on!  >:E
I never understand how that works how you can change it. (and what your supposed to do with LH) But then I find it very hard to understand music anyway.

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #155 on: January 28, 2010, 09:34:59 AM »

As I wrote recently in another thread, Orange in Bloom is in 6/8 time, which makes it a jig. However, it is played slowly and with syncopation to suit the Morris dance. It is easily transposed into 3/4 time and when played socially as a waltz is known as the Sherborne Waltz.

Perhaps I should have said that in most cases it is played slowly for Morris, but Clive's link to the Chanctonbury Ring interpretation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlJrpYwP0-Q
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #156 on: January 28, 2010, 09:44:58 AM »

As I wrote recently in another thread, Orange in Bloom is in 6/8 time, which makes it a jig. However, it is played slowly and with syncopation to suit the Morris dance. It is easily transposed into 3/4 time and when played socially as a waltz is known as the Sherborne Waltz.

Perhaps I should have said that in most cases it is played slowly for Morris, but Clive's link to the Chanctonbury Ring interpretation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlJrpYwP0-Q
There is also much confusion possible as to the speed of the slows (C music for non-morrisers), both my teams do the first set of slows (kick capers) quickly and the second set (uprights) slowly which is great as thats what we do. At the Ale tomorrow it will all fall apart as there will be ~10 sides theer at least half of which will do it differently.

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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #157 on: January 28, 2010, 09:50:14 AM »

Goodness me! Talk about making things complicated!  ;)
Just stick with Machynlleth and you'll have no bother.  ;D
(PS - Sarah, it's a happy tune and it's not a waltz)
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Re: Suggestions for Future Tunes Thread
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2010, 09:58:59 AM »

Goodness me! Talk about making things complicated!  ;)

I sometimes wonder if I should keep a copy of all the bits of advice thrown up by the TOTM. Would make a great Advanced Beginner tutor book.

Just stick with Machynlleth and you'll have no bother.  ;D
except getting your teeth round the name ;)

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« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2010, 12:02:14 PM »

There is also much confusion possible as to the speed of the slows (C music for non-morrisers), both my teams do the first set of slows (kick capers) quickly and the second set (uprights) slowly which is great as thats what we do. At the Ale tomorrow it will all fall apart as there will be ~10 sides theer at least half of which will do it differently.

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