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Gromit

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Hohner identification
« on: January 27, 2023, 09:28:21 AM »

Hi, I'm clueless as far as hohner models go so can someone I.D. these two models and is there a web site that lists older models, thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6w6hpXSWw8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_uzXJOk1_U
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2023, 09:41:11 AM »

First one is a Pokerwork and the second an Erica

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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2023, 09:43:33 AM »

...and arguably "older" examples of (still) current models ? albeit with the kudos of being German built rather than Chinese, as now?

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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2023, 12:27:04 PM »

Thanks very much for the information. In what tuning would these have been originally, I believe those in the video are B/C.
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2023, 12:31:44 PM »

Thanks very much for the information. In what tuning would these have been originally, I believe those in the video are B/C.
Depends, could be D/G, C/F, G/C, Bb/Eb, C/C#, B/C

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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2023, 02:50:08 PM »

Thanks Lester. I didn't realise they were sold in 5 tunings, any advice on where I could get one?
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2023, 03:49:54 PM »

Have you considered the idea that they could have been retuned?
Sharon shannon started her career on a Pokerwork retuned in C#D.

And for the record as a beginner I retuned a G/G Pokerwork to D/G, because the D/G was marketed in Britain only, and for me it was cheaper to change the reeds  than buying it in England.
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2023, 04:33:16 PM »


   Another thing about Pokerwork tunings. When this forum voted a decade ago that the standard “British” D/G setup should be 4th button start, I contacted all the major manufacturers to inform them of the preference. Castagnari, Saltarelle acknowledged and said that they would move that way, or at least offer it. Hohner Europe didn’t reply, and as far as I can tell still start their scale 3rd button, D and G on the respective rows. Hence their “squeaky” high notes.

  http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,7358.0.html
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2023, 04:36:57 PM »

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Thanks Lester. I didn't realise they were sold in 5 tunings, any advice on where I could get one?

More than five tunings I would say: Lester did not mention A/D.

'...where I could get one'  What do you mean exactly, get a Pokerwork or Erica in B/C ??

(by the way, the boxes in the 2 videos may or may not have been originally in B/C, but their sound is much drier than the typical Hohner wet tremolo)

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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2023, 04:42:11 PM »

The Pokerwork is definitely B/C.
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2023, 05:08:41 PM »

Thanks folks. Yes both boxes have been tuned by John Brosnan and they're dryer than the originll tuning.

As I said I'd like to get either model, preverably in B/C.
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2023, 05:45:47 PM »

You can check the Buy and Sell here (a couple went by within the last month, you could also place a want ad), the Shops and Repairers on Home Page, the Traditional Irish Button Accordion group on Facebook, Martin Quinn (https://www.accordions.ie/home), etc...

For B/C, be sure to look for Hohner Double Ray as well, it's basically the same instrument with a black button in the middle of the outside row and made specifically with semitone tuning.  Older Double Rays are generally Pokerwork-like, more recent ones are Erica-like.     
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2023, 11:24:12 AM »

The Pokerwork is definitely B/C.

Actually it's C/C#. He's using a B/C player's "G fingering" but the tune is coming out in the key of A-flat. I know cos I can play along with it on the C#-row of my C#/D.

A real-world example of what keeps being said in the threads that occasionally crop up enquiring about C/C# boxes: they are used by B/C players as "E-flat boxes".

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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2023, 11:37:55 AM »

The Pokerwork is definitely B/C.

Actually it's C/C#. He's using a B/C player's "G fingering" but the tune is coming out in the key of A-flat. I know cos I can play along with it on the C#-row of my C#/D.

A real-world example of what keeps being said in the threads that occasionally crop up enquiring about C/C# boxes: they are used by B/C players as "E-flat boxes".
Fair enough, I don't have perfect pitch. I was going by bellows movements and knowing the tune (and being more familiar with semitone layouts than some people might suppose)
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2023, 03:25:29 PM »

The Pokerwork is definitely B/C.

Actually it's C/C#. He's using a B/C player's "G fingering" but the tune is coming out in the key of A-flat. I know cos I can play along with it on the C#-row of my C#/D.

A real-world example of what keeps being said in the threads that occasionally crop up enquiring about C/C# boxes: they are used by B/C players as "E-flat boxes".
Fair enough, I don't have perfect pitch. I was going by bellows movements and knowing the tune (and being more familiar with semitone layouts than some people might suppose)

Neither do I, but the tune did sound a little high and bright, which made me want to check. I suspect that that brightness may be what Gromit found attractive about the instrument.

I suppose I had better go and check the Erica - ah, now that is a B/C.  (:)

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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2023, 04:47:02 PM »

BTW, this interesting Hohner B/C is available in the Buy and Sell right now:

http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,28968.0.html

Neither a Pokerwork or Erica or Double Ray, but this 3515 was a kind of deluxe Pokerwork with improved/travel limited and nice decorative bellows paper.  Three-voice versions are rare and would pack a lot of punch in a standard-sized box. 
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Re: Hohner identification
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2023, 07:37:07 PM »

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Actually it's C/C#

Thanks Steve, hadn't tried played along with the Pokerwork.
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