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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2010, 11:36:58 PM »

Elderley's gradings always crack me up (for all their instruments).  To me VGC (very good condition) would imply an immediately playable instrument with some cosmetic problems. in this case it means -

"VGC except needs some work (bellows leak, all notes are kind of wheezy and some are weak, plus needs cleanup, etc. - sold AS-IS), keys of Bb-Eb, red pearloid covering, red bellows with gold trim, 30 buttons in three rows, 8 bass buttons, "Original Hohner" imprint on back, used for Tex-Mex and other styles, with worn straps and beat semi-HSC, price reduced"

How would anyone else grade it? Me? Poor/Medium at best.

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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2010, 06:41:48 PM »

Looking at one list I have, it seems (for example) the Hohner Club III BS and the Hohner Club III M might be voiced LMM.
I've seem examples of both of those models, all were LMM.  I assume the 'S' is for 'switch' in IIIBS
I'm thinking of buying an old three-reed LMM Hohner off ebay.
How can the seller of a Hohner Club III tell me if it's an LMM accordion?
Thank You for the Help!
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2010, 08:08:53 PM »

If it has a switch behind the keyboard it is likely to be LMM,   if no switch it is likely to be MMM, but there may be exceptions.  To be sure the seller would need to have enough knowledge to tell from the sound, or from looking at the reeds.  You could try asking the seller for a sound clip?
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2010, 08:22:49 PM »

If it has a switch behind the keyboard it is likely to be LMM,   if no switch it is likely to be MMM, but there may be exceptions.
Thanks Theo. I think this is an MMM. Miki
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2010, 12:16:36 PM »

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I think this is an MMM.

I've got one that looks exactly the same which is MMM. Theo has recently overhauled it for me and it is a lovely box.
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2010, 12:34:28 PM »

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I think this is an MMM.

I've got one that looks exactly the same which is MMM. Theo has recently overhauled it for me and it is a lovely box.

There seem to have been a lot of variants among the 3 voice Hohner Clubs, even the no-switch ones. They differ in the overall size of the casework, whether the keyboard plate is black or pearloid, the grille material (metal or celluloid) and how it is perforated, and the way the reedblocks are situated on the soundboard relative to the pallets/action. Most of the ones I have seen have 3 rows of pallets on the soundboard which can result in a noticeably different timbre from the notes on the inside row of buttons.

That's one significant difference with the Modell 234(?) I mentioned and illustrated above, since it has only 2 rows of pallets and a very open metal grille.

Still, the 3 voice ones sound great also. I love the ones with pearl buttons and zinc-plate reeds.

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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2010, 03:51:21 PM »

I have Club IV with MMM (no registers) and a Club X with LMM (two switches, one for for L and M+)

There is a Club IV with one switch on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170439268240

Maybe we should open a separate thread for 3-voice clubs :-)
« Last Edit: February 03, 2010, 05:57:59 PM by michik »
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2010, 06:58:53 AM »

  I find this discussion of Club accordions fascinating [I'm the proud owner of a red Club 11B and a blue Club 11]..probably post-war, both in great condition, I love the sound of the reeds and the option of the gleichton and the way the scale is set up . For possibly the only song in the world that talks about Club accordions and their history [while playing a humble Hohner single row] check out this link and listen to the 5th. verse .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muWpFcXx2DU   all the best...hopefully I've copied out the link properly....
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2010, 05:10:30 AM »

  As an afterthought to my previous post..apparently Weltmeister makes a Club Accordion in G/C.  Has anyone tried these out? Also, are any of the "high end" [with a 3rd.row of 2, 4 or 6 buttons] 2 row French accordions in a Club tuning?
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2010, 02:39:29 PM »

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180471027466&

michik,

That one is very similar cosmetically to the one I am calling a "possible 234." Unlike most of the Hohners I have seen identified as 235 (or possibly 255) both have a plated stamped-metal grille. The current ebay accordion also looks in very good condition, although unlike mine its original straps show some wear.

Differences from mine:

1) The bass side coupler switch is in a different position, more similar to the bass coupler on the earlier ebay accordion I cited above (a so-called 235 or possible 255).

2) There is a backplate that would hold the keyboard (and melody-side switches) away from the player's body. This looks original in this case. I can't see whether there are 2 or 3 melody-side switches and I'm not sure I understand the seller's description of these.

3) 7 buttons in the inside row (mine has 4)

4) I think the seller's description implies 3 voices on the melody side, but I think 4 or 5 is more likely.

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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2010, 03:01:53 PM »

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Pete Grassby had one on his stall at Witney this year.
That I would have liked to hear.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GndDixyw8iU

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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2010, 03:20:41 PM »

Lester,

That was brilliant (saw this video when it was linked a couple days ago)! Thanks a million...

I actually meant to write that I would have liked to hear Mr. Kirkpatrick playing it, but I don't know Mr. Grassby so it is great to hear a musician who is new to me.

It was Mr. Kirkpatrick who was lugging that huge road case when I gave him a lift to the airport nearly 20 years ago.

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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2010, 12:47:40 PM »

There's a beautiful example of one of these big prewar Hohner clubs on ebay now and finishing very soon.  The seller is a reliable and honest accordion expert, and the accordion looks to have had a modern renovation (waxed instead of pinned reeds), so could be a remarkable bargain:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200545024513

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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2014, 01:47:11 PM »

Looking at one list I have, it seems (for example) the Hohner Club III BS and the Hohner Club III M might be voiced LMM.
I've seem examples of both of those models, all were LMM.  I assume the 'S' is for 'switch' in IIIBS

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However, if I am reading the list correctly, this III B F would not have the low octave reed; maybe the coupler behind the keyboard pulls out the 2 musette reeds for a single voice tone:

Where 'F'='flute' perhaps, though modern accordion terminology usually uses 'clarinet' for a single M reed.

"Flöte/Flute" it is, from Hohner's 1938 catalogue:

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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2014, 02:22:22 PM »

Quote from: Lester
Pete Grassby had one on his stall at Witney this year.
That I would have liked to hear.

Your wish etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GndDixyw8iU

Great sound, and I love the way he stops us having to look at Rees...

Hoping that my new acquisition will sound the same !
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2014, 04:41:23 PM »

"Hoping that my new acquisition will sound the same"
Oh it won't, go on ,go on you know it won't... Go on, go on it won't
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2018, 12:20:50 PM »

Are there happy owners of model 255?
My 255 is Bb/Eb with "Hohner Germany" reeds that are considered the best reeds of Hohner.
Strange but this box seems to be much worse than Club III BS when testing my favorites L, M and LM registers.
Is it because construction of the box or something wrong with my accordion?
Bass side is nice, special register with helicon basses, but melody side seems to be so far away from Club III BS, like Club III BS from Castagnari  :(
Box is after tuning and some maintenance.
My friend has 255 C/F - it is about the same, but bass side not so nice like in my box - almost no difference between registers.
Now I am thinking about to use this reeds in another accordion. Is it worth a try, or may be these reeds are not so good? Any ideas?
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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2018, 04:17:39 PM »

For another example of a 4 voice pre-WW2 Hohner club, see the photo below -  a grey, no-switch Hohner club voiced in MMMM, BbEb. Great box with the "HOHNER GERMANY" reeds. Shown here on left along with the "234-like" Hohner in LMMM discussed at the beginning of this thread.

The grey one is also discussed in this more general thread on MMMM boxes:

forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,22214


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Re: Hohner Modell 234, 235, 255 and other prewar clubs with 4 (+) voices
« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2018, 07:39:08 PM »

Here is a pair of very similar boxes but these are both 3 voice LMM with three switches. This gives any combination of reeds including none. Build quality is excellent.

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