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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2010, 09:25:08 AM »

Told you I'm rubbish...here's me murdering the tune
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=12225

Can do attitude please!  :D
See you're avoiding making a proper comment coz you think its rubbish. ;)

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2010, 11:20:27 AM »

LDT - The tune is recognisable and just needs some more practice. If you take the attitude that you are playing as well as you can at the time, then no-one has the right to make derogatory comments, most of all you! At least you're doing it and not being a couch potato. AF is not an easy tune to play well.

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2010, 11:34:01 AM »

That's not the case. Comment was respect to prefixing "tune murdered" and "told you I'm rubbish"  You are doing fine, and this is a very supportive forum. I believe such abject negativity doesn't help anyone.  Better surely to listen to advice given and use it. eg are you cross fingering against pull or push chords?  I think the tune goes all the smoother for that.

Yet another attempt at helping messed up. I'm complete rubbish at this.  :-\
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #63 on: January 12, 2010, 11:34:33 AM »

J.W - your rendition is absolutely beautiful!!!! I loved it! Bob, yours was nice too - what's the tuning of your 3 row box?

Hi Susi. It is a two-voice, swing-tuned,  D/G box with a full row of accidentals. The layout of the accidentals is one I devised myself (with a bit of help from Rees) to incorporate reversals as well as accidentals. If you are interested in the layout, there is a diagram of it in the Keyboard Layouts section of this site. Go into Three Row Layouts and click on D/G/Accidentals - a 12 bass layout.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2010, 12:01:13 PM »


.... Yet another attempt at helping messed up. I'm complete rubbish at this.  :-\

Eeeeeh, it is Sooooo Eeeeasy to put your foot in it on here, without even the faintest idea that you have!

LDT, it's not an easy tune to play smoothly, you sometimes feel like you need seven fingers on your right hand to get up and down the keyboard ;) I feel it's just as hard playing a tunes like this, getting the harmonics and dynamics sounding just right, than playing a faster tune, where, if you miss or hit a bum note, it doesn't really show!

Keep it up and if you start feeling frustrated with a tune that you simply can't seem to get right, leave it for a while and play one of your favourite 'Sunday Bests' to re boost you confidence!

Works for me  (:)

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2010, 12:12:35 PM »

Sarah, I think this is the most difficult tune I have heard you play, so you have done well. Don't be surprised that you are finding it difficult - it isn't a tune that comes easily to any but the most gifted musicians. It is taking you out of your comfort zone and makes demands of you that other tunes don't. Try to rise to the challenge because your playing will improve by doing so. Where you have left out the low notes that I assume you have not got on your box, try to find alternatives that sound good to your ear. It doesn't matter if they alter the tune a bit (that's what improvisation is all about!), but inserting replacements for the missing notes will help you to develop the smoothness that is essential for conveying the emotion of the tune.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2010, 12:56:40 PM »

Sarah, I think this is the most difficult tune I have heard you play, so you have done well. Don't be surprised that you are finding it difficult - it isn't a tune that comes easily to any but the most gifted musicians.
Don't know how such a difficult tune won...some people must love pain. ;)

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It is taking you out of your comfort zone and makes demands of you that other tunes don't. Try to rise to the challenge because your playing will improve by doing so. Where you have left out the low notes that I assume you have not got on your box, try to find alternatives that sound good to your ear. It doesn't matter if they alter the tune a bit (that's what improvisation is all about!), but inserting replacements for the missing notes will help you to develop the smoothness that is essential for conveying the emotion of the tune.
I....I can't play something that's not actually written down, I have no musical jugement. It'll sound great to me and horrible to everyone else. :(

LDT, it's not an easy tune to play smoothly, you sometimes feel like you need seven fingers on your right hand to get up and down the keyboard ;)
Forget extra fingers I tie the ones I've got already in knots, I just need longer fingers.

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2010, 01:36:23 PM »

I....I can't play something that's not actually written down, I have no musical jugement. It'll sound great to me and horrible to everyone else. :(
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Yes you can.  This is where the design of the melodeon really helps you out.  There are very few 'wrong' notes.  Just push another button nearby until you like what you hear and trust your judgement.  So what if someone else doesn't like it?
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2010, 02:25:14 PM »

Told you I'm rubbish...here's me murdering the tune
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=12225
Sarah - stop being so hard on yourself. This is a good start and if I know you, you will work and work at it and will improve no end.
The 'missing' note which you don't have on your Tommy (or Sara) RH buttons is a low B.
You do in fact have this note on the LH side. It is on the inside row of buttons (nearest the bellows) and 2nd one down from the top as you hold the instrument, on the push. So when this note comes up in the tune, instead of leaving a gap in the music, just play it on the LH side instead.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2010, 07:26:54 PM »

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The 'missing' note which you don't have on your Tommy (or Sara) RH buttons is a low B.

thanks Steve for explaining how to get the low B, can the low C natural be obtained on the left hand

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2010, 07:53:38 PM »

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The 'missing' note which you don't have on your Tommy (or Sara) RH buttons is a low B.

thanks Steve for explaining how to get the low B, can the low C natural be obtained on the left hand



Depends on what box you are playing, look here for keyboard layouts

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2010, 10:05:18 PM »

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The 'missing' note which you don't have on your Tommy (or Sara) RH buttons is a low B.

thanks Steve for explaining how to get the low B, can the low C natural be obtained on the left hand
Yes - on a standard D/G melodeon, you can play the low C natural on the LH side: innermost row, button nearest the floor when holding the instrument, push or pull (plays C both ways).
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2010, 11:03:26 PM »

Told you I'm rubbish...here's me murdering the tune
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=12225

This is not rubbish, Sarah - I can barely hear a fluffed or wrong note in there! Certainly, extremely recognisable as AF, with almost the correct timing...you just need to lengthen the notes on the runs up and down, a bit, stressing/ lengthening the first note of each group of 3 a bit more than the other 2 notes. Playing more with other people, as has been said before, will help you to get fully into the total feel of tunes, re. timing and phrasing.

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2010, 09:41:31 AM »

But, but, but.

On a D/G there's a C on the G row 4th or 5th (depends if you count the unusable accidentals at the top or not) from the top. on a pull.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2010, 10:43:49 AM »


The 'missing' note which you don't have on your Tommy (or Sara) RH buttons is a low B.
You do in fact have this note on the LH side. It is on the inside row of buttons (nearest the bellows) and 2nd one down from the top as you hold the instrument, on the push. So when this note comes up in the tune, instead of leaving a gap in the music, just play it on the LH side instead.
isn't that gonna sound a bit odd and out of place?

Told you I'm rubbish...here's me murdering the tune
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=12225

This is not rubbish, Sarah - I can barely hear a fluffed or wrong note in there! Certainly, extremely recognisable as AF, with almost the correct timing...you just need to lengthen the notes on the runs up and down, a bit, stressing/ lengthening the first note of each group of 3 a bit more than the other 2 notes. Playing more with other people, as has been said before, will help you to get fully into the total feel of tunes, re. timing and phrasing.

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I've also got no left hand so it sounds bare and boring.

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2010, 12:14:39 PM »


The 'missing' note which you don't have on your Tommy (or Sara) RH buttons is a low B.
You do in fact have this note on the LH side. It is on the inside row of buttons (nearest the bellows) and 2nd one down from the top as you hold the instrument, on the push. So when this note comes up in the tune, instead of leaving a gap in the music, just play it on the LH side instead.
isn't that gonna sound a bit odd and out of place?
You might think so, but it will sound OK to a listener. And much better than a hole in the music.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #76 on: January 13, 2010, 01:48:30 PM »

(depends if you count the unusable accidentals at the top or not)

Well said, Chas.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2010, 02:49:56 PM »


Hi Susi. It is a two-voice, swing-tuned,  D/G box with a full row of accidentals. The layout of the accidentals is one I devised myself (with a bit of help from Rees) to incorporate reversals as well as accidentals. If you are interested in the layout, there is a diagram of it in the Keyboard Layouts section of this site. Go into Three Row Layouts and click on D/G/Accidentals - a 12 bass layout.

Cool! I'm quite happy with only a concertina if I have to deal with accidentals, though:) But it's always fun to hear about other tunings...

Graham, don't tell me you injured your wrist too??!! Your injury sounds worse than mine. I didn't need any surgery, and it turned out it wasn't a scaphoid fracture but just a lesion on the radius bone, so now I'll have the cast three weeks instead of eight, and I can play as much melodeon as I can and want to! It's party time!!! :|||: :|||: :|||: :|||: 8) :|glug

I don't think I'll manage to learn Ashokan farewell though......not on the melodeon. I could play it fairly on the fiddle before the wrist injury.
Sarah, I'm quite relieved to see that I'm not the only one being hard on myself, but the difference is that you are brave enough to record and show it off even if you don't think you're good, which I rarely do. Well done and keep playing.
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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #78 on: January 14, 2010, 09:02:10 AM »


The 'missing' note which you don't have on your Tommy (or Sara) RH buttons is a low B.
You do in fact have this note on the LH side. It is on the inside row of buttons (nearest the bellows) and 2nd one down from the top as you hold the instrument, on the push. So when this note comes up in the tune, instead of leaving a gap in the music, just play it on the LH side instead.
isn't that gonna sound a bit odd and out of place?
You might think so, but it will sound OK to a listener. And much better than a hole in the music.

I tried your suggestion but it sounds really out of place  :'(
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=12294
I just don't have the skills to make it sound nice.

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Re: Tune of the Month for January 2010 - Ashokan Farewell
« Reply #79 on: January 14, 2010, 09:27:42 AM »

I tried your suggestion but it sounds really out of place  :'(
I just don't have the skills to make it sound nice.

Sorry can't hear your video - I'm in London in a library  :-X But I'm with Steve on this. On 2 rows - I'd quite often steal a note from the left end. The trick is to just tap the button. Think of it as a stepping stone across that hole rather than a bridge - very brief.

Positive attitude please.
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