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[risto]

On Wednesday I received the pdf file below from Hohner. Melodeon.net was also mentioned and I was told that I may show the layout here. This probably means that Morgane will be available in C#D tuning at some time in the future.

C#/D layout. The basses are laid out in the traditional fashion.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/slowsession/Grifftabelle_Morgane_CisD.pdf
same as this: http://info.melodeon.net/files/site/CD21tradbass.gif


Mr. Fausel also gave me the link to the Reyes Forum which shows Hohners new diatonic accordions (discussed here in another tread). These accordions were showed in January at the NAMM Show in USA.

New Hohner diatonic products showed at the Namm Show:
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/gilbert27/vpost?id=2371138


An important point here is that these Coronas have 34 buttons. This is a result of the job of Mr. Gilberto Reyes Jr. who first made this modification to his standard 31 button Corona (you can find the link to that interesting discussion from the first link). Then later his work was shown to Hohner factory who liked the idea and now players of that genre have accordions meeting their needs.

The tread of the modification done by Mr. Gilberto Reyes Jr:
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/gilbert27/vpost?id=835913

EDIT: cleaning...

[risto]

I understand that the capital letters in the bass chords indicate the Major chord like in the Melodeon.net picture. Because the Morgane does not have stops to remove the thirds from the chords, I think those basses (chords) will not work well even for the D major scale. The chords should at least be the fifth chords. The basic chords for D major scale are:

I = D
II = Em
III = F#m
IV = G
V = A
VI = Bm
VII = C#dim

The funny thing about the diatonic accordion basses is that all the common tunings G/C, D/G, B/C and C#/D are all used for same type of tunes played in the same common keys, still each tuning has a different bass layout when they in fact would all need same bass notes and chords. To get a useful bass layout for Irish, English and Scandinavian tunes all the commonly used keys and modes should be harmonized and the basses should be designed thereoff.

CONT..:

The fifth chords are actually very useful because in the context of another key they can be interpreted as other chords. For instance D5 (notes D & A) is an inversion of the Asus4(omit 5th) chord. It is also possible to have the root note be omitted in the chord, like often in Jazz music (if you play say the tenor guitar) which means that the fifth chords will actually work in even more various keys.

[Bill Young]

C#/D layout. The basses are laid out in the modern fashion.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/slowsession/Grifftabelle_Morgane_CisD.pdf
same as this: http://info.melodeon.net/files/site/CD21modernbass.gif

No, the Morgane C#/D layout .pdf shows the basses the same as the CD21 traditional bass, with the push D duplicated on outer and inner rows. They've simply taken the traditional Paolo Soprani BC bass layout and moved everything up a tone.

I understand that the capital letters in the basses indicate the Major chord like in the Melodeon.net picture.

In the Hohner Morgane .pdf diagram, the capital letters denote the bass notes; the major chords are denoted thus: aM, dM etc.

[risto]

No, the Morgane C#/D layout .pdf shows the basses the same as the CD21 traditional bass, with the push D duplicated on outer and inner rows. They've simply taken the traditional Paolo Soprani BC bass layout and moved everything up a tone.

Yes, you are right, thanks. One shouldn't try to do anything important after coming home from work at late night. Fixed that.

In the Hohner Morgane .pdf diagram, the capital letters denote the bass notes; the major chords are denoted thus: aM, dM etc.

Yes, that is what I meant.

[risto]

I made a small chart of the chords for different basic scales and their modes (Harmonic minor should be added):

http://www.kolumbus.fi/slowsession/Chords.doc

The chart shows how much more useful the fifth chords are for the common folk music scales when they can be used instead of both  Major and Minor chords.

EDIT: I went through it a couple of times but with lots of data on one sheet I can not guarantee that there are no mistakes. Let me know if you seen any.

[risto]

Today I received the price quote for the C#/D treble reedblocks, 70 euros. I don't know if it includes VAT, nor do I know if it will be list price in the future. I made the order today and will get them in appr. 6 weeks. Passed the bass blocks because I'm designing my own basses so I don't know the price for those.

I think it is a very nice idea that you are not stuck with just one tuning if you later find you might prefer another one. If anyone is interested to ask for other reedblocks you could contact Mr. Fausel, he seems a very friendly and patient person.    I won't post his email address here because it might cause him junk mail, so send me a private if you need it.

[Malcolm Clapp]

That seems an incredibly cheap price for the blocks with the reeds loaded. Or is this just for the blocks without reeds?
Am I missing something in this saga?   

MC

[risto]

That seems an incredibly cheap price for the blocks with the reeds loaded. Or is this just for the blocks without reeds?

Am I missing something in this saga?   

MC

I don't know, but that is is the price given to me. As I said I don't know if it is the list price. If the bass blocks and reeds cost the same and you include VAT and S&H it would be around 200 euros which is not that cheap anymore compared to the price of the whole instrument, around 700 euros.

[risto]

Probably I have become a nuisance to them and now they just want me to get my reeds and be happy and finally shut up.  The Invoice showed total amount of 85.5 eur, reeds are included.

[risto]

The new C#/D reed blocks arrived yesterday. I'll take a photo during the weekend and post it here though the blocks aren't different from the B/C blocks.

The reeds are marked with "T", indicating them to be of the T-Mensur type, same as in Corona models. At this point all I can say is that these reeds are much more resposive and better to play than the original reeds which weren't indicated to be of the T-Mensur type. The wetness is again little too much, much like the wetness used here by dance orchestras all the time and which I have learned to hate  , but that is now a minor problem now that the reed quality is there.

A question for the moderators: If possible, could you please be kind and move all the post in this thread to the Morgane B/C thread and delete this thread. I think I made a mistake to scatter the discussion as it's all about the Morgane anyway. Thanks.

EDITED: typos...

[risto]

The blocks:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/slowsession/Morgane/Blocks.jpg

I have to correct what I said eariler about the B/C reeds not being of the T-Mensur type. It appears that some of the reeds have the "T" marking but not all. The reeds probably have the marking only on the other side and because I didn't look carefully enough I didn't notice that some of the reeds are marked.

A Quality Issue:

I'm sending the blocks tomorrow to England for retuning and now when taking the photos I found this. Certainly doesn't improve the reed response. The B/C blocks are also slightly twisted in the same manner at the low note end but not as much. What should I do with this?:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/slowsession/Morgane/Quality_Issue.jpg

I'm now starting to wonder if Hohner actually deliberately sends me these "issues"; first wrong basses in the Morgane, then dropping keyboard buttons in the Nova CBA and now this. 

[Theo]

Hi Risto

The base of the blocks just needs to be sanded flat.  Depending how much wood has to be removed you bight need to include a paper shim to take up any gap on the toe at the high end of the reedblock.