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[Clive Williams]

The Plane Tree seems to be doing quite well in the poll so far, so I wondered if anyone knew where the tune came from and who wrote it? Gilles Chabanet's La Grande Bete is virtually the same tune but as a schottische rather than a jig, so which came first?

Cheers,
Clive

[Owen Woods]

They sound like pretty dissimilar tunes to me

[Lester]

the plane tree is, in my opinion, a re-time signatured version of the Schottiche a'Bethine (check spelling later).

[LJC]

I thought it (Plane Tree) was an original composition by a Undine Hornby. If you google them together you get quite a few hits from CD track listings etc, so it looks probable.

[Steve_freereeder]

the plane tree is, in my opinion, a re-time signatured version of the Schottiche a'Bethine (check spelling later).

[Clive Williams]

I thought it (Plane Tree) was an original composition by a Undine Hornby. If you google them together you get quite a few hits from CD track listings etc, so it looks probable.

Well, the Plane Tree is commonly played in sessions with The Hop Break, which absolutely is a Undine Hornby tune, but I didn't think the Plane Tree was written by her, unless anyone knows better of course!

Yes, it's a lot closer to Schottische a Bethanie, isn't it? Does anyone know who wrote that, or is it traditional?

Cheers,

Clive

[ganderbox]

Schottische a Bethanie is probably a traditional tune. It was certainly being played in France when Blowzabella and Mel Stevens (who compiled the Massif Central tunebooks) were collecting tunes, but it didn't have a name. I think the name S. a Bethanie was given to it more recently by somebody who just felt the need to give it a name.

[Lester]

My theory, FWIW, is that someone went on holiday to France, heard a really good tune (SaB) during a session that involved much red wine. Scroll forward a week or two and said person writes a new tune and calls it the Plane Tree.

Simples

[Sandy]

So Lester, what tune will you be bringing back from Vienna, and do you have a name for it yet 

Sandy
 

p.s. Nick Barber's English Choice has The Plane Tree written by Undine Hornby and mentions that it is commonly paired as a set with Herbert the Sherbert written by Martin Ellison of this parish 

[Pete Dunk]

Simples

The meercats have a lot to answer for. 

[Lester]

So Lester, what tune will you be bringing back from Vienna, and do you have a name for it yet 

Sandy
 

[michik]

Schottische a Bethanie is probably a traditional tune. It was certainly being played in France when Blowzabella and Mel Stevens (who compiled the Massif Central tunebooks) were collecting tunes, but it didn't have a name. I think the name S. a Bethanie was given to it more recently by somebody who just felt the need to give it a name.

Hasn't it been composed by J.F. "Maxou" Heintzen ?

[ganderbox]

Hasn't it been composed by J.F. "Maxou" Heintzen ?

Possibly, but I can't find anything to suggest that it was.

[Tyker]

This hints that the tune is french traditional . Player has a comment Here which states that it came from Massif Central Tunebook and he just gave the tune a name .

[Chris Ryall]

This hints that the tune is french traditional . Player has a comment Here which states that it came from Massif Central Tunebook and he just gave the tune a name .

Massif Central Tunebook is a really solid piece of work, and has been used by the French to source their own tunes. I cannot comment on the traditionality of the tune other than to say it was well established at St Chartier Festival first time I got there, in 1991. The video tyker cites sounds to me like a simplification of the tune I have in my head.