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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2010, 09:30:21 AM »

Hmmm..had a go on the one row
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=18509
think some of the marching soldiers may have got lost in the mud in the middle bit. lol! ;)
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #81 on: April 14, 2010, 09:48:57 AM »

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I think its coz I feel I can concentrate on the tune instead of worrying about the left hand all the time.

I like your version, too - the relaxed LH style really shows through, and it sounds like an upbeat march, which I guess is the way it was originally written. 
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #82 on: April 14, 2010, 06:42:31 PM »

Really felt the tune should be left alone on this one but I wanted to experiment with texture and mood.
Recorded right hand separate to exaggerate the reverb on the tune but not on the drone. (Looking for a blurry/ghost effect!)
The stomp of the foot seemed more appropriate this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPPlL1kR2sE

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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #83 on: April 14, 2010, 06:50:09 PM »

Really felt the tune should be left alone on this one but I wanted to experiment with texture and mood.
Recorded right hand separate to exaggerate the reverb on the tune but not on the drone. (Looking for a blurry/ghost effect!)
The stomp of the foot seemed more appropriate this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPPlL1kR2sE

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Hey, that's pretty clever, not just because of the reverb, but also because the RH articulation doesn't affect the drone sound.  I started listening to it before reading your text and could tell there was something unusual about it straight away.  I'm not sure that I would have guessed what exactly you'd done, though, without being told.  Anyhow, I'm impressed.
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #84 on: April 14, 2010, 06:51:26 PM »

Really felt the tune should be left alone on this one but I wanted to experiment with texture and mood.
Recorded right hand separate to exaggerate the reverb on the tune but not on the drone. (Looking for a blurry/ghost effect!)
The stomp of the foot seemed more appropriate this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPPlL1kR2sE

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sounds great. Lovely tempo and rhythm. I like some of your bass/chord choices, especially in the B section e.g. around 1:20-1:26. And the foot is doing a great job too. Is that on the bottom stair?
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #85 on: April 14, 2010, 07:01:53 PM »

Recorded right hand separate to exaggerate the reverb on the tune but not on the drone. (Looking for a blurry/ghost effect!)
Ah - I wondered how you managed to do that.
It certainly gets the effect, and enabled you to put some really snappy accents on the tune without disturbing the drone too.
Combined with the foot stomping, no doubt that' it's a march either. Nice one!
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #86 on: April 14, 2010, 08:11:36 PM »

Really felt the tune should be left alone on this one but I wanted to experiment with texture and mood.
Recorded right hand separate to exaggerate the reverb on the tune but not on the drone. (Looking for a blurry/ghost effect!)
The stomp of the foot seemed more appropriate this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPPlL1kR2sE

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Thanks, Sandy. This really works. The blurry/ghost effect is very apparent!
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #87 on: April 14, 2010, 11:30:23 PM »

Thanks very much for the comments. I found this totm very tough.

JB, I tried to find a slight 'disjointedness'  in the B part without changing the style of the tune. As for the stomp, no bottom stair, just a floor made from an old squash court !

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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2010, 07:54:46 AM »

Really felt the tune should be left alone on this one but I wanted to experiment with texture and mood.
Recorded right hand separate to exaggerate the reverb on the tune but not on the drone. (Looking for a blurry/ghost effect!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPPlL1kR2sE
Very atmospheric and imaginative it was too, Sandy. Great stuff! It's good to experiment like this.
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #89 on: April 15, 2010, 08:12:20 AM »

I too listened to Sandy's interprettation without reading, and then found myself divided. Is separate tracking RH/LH cheating? Well it certainly wouldn't be if there were two musicians involved  - so why should it be with one? *Tho I still feel a niggle ...

The effect achieved - absolutely spellbinding! Most TOTM youtubes get just one listen, including the few I've put in. I've been looping this one. Sandy has put in exactly the right 'wrong chords' and moved the tune forwards by somehow elequently expressing that the Army involved is moving .. backwards. A true paradox in music.

[edit]  *Steve anwers this nicely below, and I certainly feel the end has justified the means here. Incidentally John K used mulit-tracked concerina for a classical piece on his first album. And said as much in his sleve notes.
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #90 on: April 15, 2010, 08:23:10 AM »

I too listened to Sandy's interprettation without reading, and then found myself divided. Is separate tracking RH/LH cheating? Well it certainly wouldn't be if there were two musicians involved  - so why should it be with one? Tho I still feel a niggle ...
Good question, definitely worth raising.
I have used multi-tracking in some of my TOTM submissions, mostly because there's only one of me (thank goodness, you all say  ;D) and yet I like the sound of multiple melodeons with different voices. I think a couple of other people have used multi-tracking too. In my opinion it is not cheating, so long as the use of such a technique is clearly stated, and that there is no intention to deceive. Used properly, it is all part of the creative process.
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #91 on: April 15, 2010, 12:45:24 PM »

Nice work, everyone! I especially liked Graham's version, I just love that bass drone, and playing it a bit faster with that bass really makes it sound cool.
I haven't started yet, I'm very stressed and quite unwell, but will try to work on it...could be a good way to relax.
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #92 on: April 15, 2010, 09:30:32 PM »

Sandy thought that was spot on. Can picture the retreat march through the mists of time
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2010, 10:19:16 AM »

I too listened to Sandy's interpretation without reading, and then found myself divided. Is separate tracking RH/LH cheating? Well it certainly wouldn't be if there were two musicians involved  - so why should it be with one? Tho I still feel a niggle ...
Good question, definitely worth raising.
I have used multi-tracking in some of my TOTM submissions, mostly because there's only one of me (thank goodness, you all say  ;D) and yet I like the sound of multiple melodeons with different voices. I think a couple of other people have used multi-tracking too. In my opinion it is not cheating, so long as the use of such a technique is clearly stated, and that there is no intention to deceive. Used properly, it is all part of the creative process.

It is the first time that I have multi tracked anything for TOTM. Initially I thought of an arrangement for two melodeons. One just playing the slightly blurry tune and the other with drone and simple rh chording. I opted to drop the RH chords as it was too busy and I preferred the 'empty space' feel between the two. Second time through, I added a third melodeon or layer playing the tune in unison. Kept the voices exactly the same for a feeling of uniformity.

I too had a sort of niggle and did so first time I ever put reverb on a recording. Steve's answer has put my mind at ease.  :Ph

Just out of interest, The basses for the A part (second time through) involved a subtle chord pattern using all four fingers. (Andy Cutting would be proud  :D) on the G and D basses and Dpull and A basses. Wanted a marching effect but had to keep it fairly smooth otherwise it sounded like a didgeridoo !! (not that I have a problem with didgeridoos, just wasn't the effect I was looking for :|||:)

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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2010, 01:07:46 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9SFtEXHK20
from a beginner on a Hohner Club Victoria Bb/Eb.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 12:37:09 PM by Miklos Nemeth »
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #95 on: April 18, 2010, 08:46:47 PM »

Hmmm..had a go on the one row
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=18509
think some of the marching soldiers may have got lost in the mud in the middle bit. lol! ;)

Like it..... nice playing (:)
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #96 on: April 19, 2010, 12:36:58 AM »


Just out of interest, The basses for the A part (second time through) involved a subtle chord pattern using all four fingers. (Andy Cutting would be proud  :D) on the G and D basses and Dpull and A basses. Wanted a marching effect but had to keep it fairly smooth otherwise it sounded like a didgeridoo !! (not that I have a problem with didgeridoos, just wasn't the effect I was looking for :|||:)

cheers
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The fact is, that fearful deep drum-drone of death portrays how terrible it really was ; and the deathly swaylilt conjures up the coffins being carried and hints at  the terror and some of the awful canon fodder parts of Pink Floyd's The Wall). Superb to listen to and impossible not to  be moved.
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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #97 on: April 19, 2010, 02:29:54 PM »

Hmmm..had a go on the one row
http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=18509
think some of the marching soldiers may have got lost in the mud in the middle bit. lol! ;)

Like it..... nice playing (:)
thank you :D

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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #98 on: April 20, 2010, 06:39:32 AM »

Readers may be interested in this bio of the composer, including a reprint of his obituary as published in the Oban Times in 1916. It also touches on the two spellings of his name.

http://www.pipetunes.ca/composers.asp?pg=Details&composerID=16

It is also possible to follow links to hear how his tune would be played by a piper. (The MP3 sample is played on the practice chanter).

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Re: Tune of the Month for April 2010 - Battle of the Somme
« Reply #99 on: April 20, 2010, 11:07:39 AM »

Thought you might like to hear how one of the Great Scottish dance bands of the past played this tune.
 The band is Ian Powrie's with Ian on fiddle, Jimmy Blue on Shand Morino button box, Mickie Ainsworth on Morino PA, Pam Brough on piano, Dave Barclay on double bass and Arthur Easson on drums. Parlophone single 45-R 4784 released in 1961.

[[[ The editorial fountain pen removes a link to a recording which I *assume* is under copyright. Sorry about that - let me know if it isn't! Cheers, Clive ]]]

Ian
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