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What tune shall we play in May?

The Ash Grove
- 2 (3.3%)
Cock of the North
- 17 (28.3%)
Dearest Dicky
- 0 (0%)
Fisher's Hornpipe
- 4 (6.7%)
La Marianne
- 2 (3.3%)
Michael Turner's Waltz
- 18 (30%)
Mon Amant de Saint-Jean
- 7 (11.7%)
Pterodactyl 2 Step
- 6 (10%)
Twin Sisters
- 1 (1.7%)
Woodland Revels
- 3 (5%)

Total Members Voted: 56

Voting closed: April 30, 2010, 11:30:00 PM


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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2010, 03:17:34 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1LPj9msobY&feature=related
Yes, another lovely waltz. You may be right about the copyright issues, but the music and tablature are available on diatonia.net, and there are various Youtube versions of people playing it.
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2010, 06:04:15 PM »

The thing is, have we got a fair voting system? I mean, if the exits polls are correct, does this mean we'll get a Michael Turner regime with no representation for the runners-up? Or can we have a redistribution of losing votes to our second choices? Or might the Cock of the North and Mon Amant de St Jean be prepared to form a coalition to create one new tune with the best aspects of both?

At the very least, I expect a three-way public debate between Michael, the Cock, and Mon Amant on subjects such as musicians' pay, law and order in this Forum, and Moderators' expenses claims.
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2010, 06:11:15 PM »

The tunes that lost the vote get another chance next month.
Though it's funny how the tune that came 2nd doesn't often win the following month's vote either...
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2010, 11:50:11 AM »

It doesn't look better than that Michael Turner's waltz is winning 8) I'd better start looking for a simple recording of it!
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2010, 12:07:34 PM »

It doesn't look better than that Michael Turner's waltz is winning 8) I'd better start looking for a simple recording of it!

Looks like all a girl could wish for, manuscript, button numbers, chords, video instructional etc

http://bellowsandstrings.blogspot.com/2010/01/michael-turners-waltz.html

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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2010, 12:54:07 PM »

It doesn't look better than that Michael Turner's waltz is winning 8) I'd better start looking for a simple recording of it!

Looks like all a girl could wish for, manuscript, button numbers, chords, video instructional etc

http://bellowsandstrings.blogspot.com/2010/01/michael-turners-waltz.html

Wow, Lester, good find! Not bad! So there's hope even for this tune  ;)
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2010, 01:08:47 PM »

Michael Turner's Waltz

The original music by Mozart is the second of Six German Dances, KV 536 (the index number of Mozart's works), written in Vienna in 1788. No.2 is written for piccolo, two flutes, two bassoons, horn, two violins and double bass. The score is here:
http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/a/ab/IMSLP24787-PMLP55790-Mozart_6_Deutsche_Tanze__K.536.pdf

The section used as Michael Turner's Waltz is the trio (i.e. the second section) of No.2 which is on the 3rd page (scroll down to it) of the pdf file.
I haven't researched this further, but I wouldn't mind betting that Mozart got his inspiration for this from a traditional German or Austrian Landler, a country dance rather like a rustic waltz or mazurka.
 
If you can understand the music notation, you will see that it is not quite how it is 'traditionally' played as MTW, but that only goes to illustrate how tunes catch on in people's minds and get played and transmitted aurally down the years, evolving on the way. That's fine. If you want to play it as Mozart intended, go ahead and assemble your musicians and play from the written music. If you want to play it in the folky evolved form commonly played in English sessions, that's good too.

It's a nice tune but then, Mozart was good at those.  (:)
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2010, 04:22:02 PM »

Ah, thanks for that link, Steve. Took ages to lead but I have it now. Actually I'm surprised the tune has changed so little, given how much it's been played and passed on orally. Maybe some tunes are just right as they are, and hard to improve on.

 I had known that it was a Mozart tune - indeed, one of my problems with it is that it's neither "Michael Turner's" nor a waltz (and Michael Turner never claimed that it was either). But I like to think that, as you suggest, he may have nicked or adapted it from a traditional source.
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2010, 05:55:06 PM »

so what are you supposed to do with the LH on MTW? Try as I might I can't go 'um pa pah' I'm totally bamboozled by it!

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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2010, 06:50:22 PM »

so what are you supposed to do with the LH on MTW? Try as I might I can't go 'um pa pah' I'm totally bamboozled by it!
RTFM as recently posted here by Lester....
http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,3906.msg49355.html#msg49355

.... and written/played by our own Luca Celano.
http://bellowsandstrings.blogspot.com/2010/01/michael-turners-waltz.html

Scroll down to the video tutorial at the bottom. Basses/chords starts at approx 1' 45"
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2010, 08:24:11 PM »

so what are you supposed to do with the LH on MTW? Try as I might I can't go 'um pa pah' I'm totally bamboozled by it!

Delighted to hear it!   The tutorial has been a lot of work and is very sound.  But I too look forward to the 'different' base line promised in the text. That one in the video seems to have been written for Nellie the 3 legged elephant.  Playing "um-paaaaaa-silence" would sound nicer IMHO ... and is actually simpler.  ;)
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2010, 08:29:33 PM »

so what are you supposed to do with the LH on MTW? Try as I might I can't go 'um pa pah' I'm totally bamboozled by it!

In terms of rhythm, just hold the chords down! Honest, it works.
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2010, 09:38:23 PM »

Playing "um-paaaaaa-silence" would sound nicer IMHO ...
...because it makes it more like a Mazurka?

There are lots of melodic possibilities in the bass too...
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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2010, 10:45:52 AM »

so what are you supposed to do with the LH on MTW? Try as I might I can't go 'um pa pah' I'm totally bamboozled by it!
RTFM as recently posted here by Lester....
http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,3906.msg49355.html#msg49355

.... and written/played by our own Luca Celano.
http://bellowsandstrings.blogspot.com/2010/01/michael-turners-waltz.html

Scroll down to the video tutorial at the bottom. Basses/chords starts at approx 1' 45"
From reading the text it sounds like just suggesting um pa pa! Which I CAN'T DO!
*bangs head against wall*

I think it will just be melody for me.....again

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Re: Poll: Tune of the Month for May 2010
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2010, 01:24:55 PM »

From reading the text it sounds like just suggesting um pa pa! Which I CAN'T DO!

Not even slowly, left hand by itself?
Of course you can!
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