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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2010, 09:22:47 AM »

A Stephane Delicq Mazurka..

http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=24982


Lovely . Stéphane Delicq mazurkas are wonderful.
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2010, 09:22:53 AM »

Thank-you!
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #82 on: September 25, 2010, 11:16:24 PM »

A Stephane Delicq Mazurka..

http://www.onmvoice.com/play.php?a=24982

Nicely done. I've been learning this tune for ages; still can't get that B part!

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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2010, 07:10:34 PM »

Hello
Heres my rather later than advertised take on Chassepain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt1c4Pc0Ncw

and L'alambic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgabogAj-lQ

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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #84 on: December 29, 2010, 05:47:22 PM »

Very nice, and very French!!!!

My old friend from my youth came over to visit, and she always has some neat tunes with her, so we made some music together. The first one is a song called J'ai de bon tabac, but sadly she couldn't sing it since her voice isn't doing well right now, and I'm not able to sing in French  :( I'm playing the blingy cake organetto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UE8y1K3bI

The other one is a particular one with two different rhythm patterns. Note that I know no music theory and can't analyze what dance or rhythm or stuff it is, I just play how I interpret the tune and what sounds ok... it's called the Miller's daughter but if anyone knows the French name, please let me know!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8neYGQzjNtE
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2011, 04:55:15 AM »

Just put two bourrées up,  Hope you enjoy.

http://accordeonaire.blogspot.com/2011/02/bourrees.html
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2011, 11:40:48 AM »

AFAIR they waltzed to chasse à la bécasse but as it's drawn from song we shouldn't regard that as traditional.  The little fluffy bécasse would be a woodcock over here and Fredu's song explores any "bit of fluff" connotations .. in much the same way as one might in English ;)
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2011, 03:43:39 PM »

I would have bet money that chasse à la bécasse was a bourrée, and that I'd read it in the blue Mel Stevens book. But I just checked that book and, you are right, it's listed as a waltze.  I've been playing it as a bourrée for years. Well ... drat.  :-\

About the tunes being drawn from songs:  I just got an AMTA compilation "Chants!"  It's striking to me how many of these dance tunes have lyrics.  I noticed this with my teacher, Sylvain Piron, he's constantly singing through the dances.  I think its charming ... even though I have very little idea what they're saying. (It might be better not knowing.)
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #88 on: February 19, 2011, 05:07:28 PM »

(It might be better not knowing.)

You'll not get away with that! :D Chavannée source Bécasse to 'Chansons populaires du Nivernais et du Morvan' Centre Alpin et Rhodanien d'Ethnologie, Grenoble 1977.  About a decade ahead of Mel's book, so all is possible but I can't see it in there.

  Par un matin, je m'y prend, je m'y leve
  C'est à la chasse que j'en suir allé (x2)
  C'est à la chasse à la bécasse
  Dans l'fond d'un pré, en vérite
 J'ai apperçu la belle Sylvie
(warned you!)
  Qu' elle dormait
  Je lui ai dit, mon aimable Sylvie
  Voudrais tu bien d'amant si charmant (x2)
  Oh! non Oh! non répondit elle
  Gardes-tois bien, je n'en vais point
  Tu n'es qu'un amuseur des filles
  Oh! un trompeur!
  Un amuseur, mon aimable Sylvie
  Oh! un trompeur! Je ne le suis pas (x2)
  J'aimerais mieux boire bouteille
 *Au caberet, en vérité
  Que d'aller voire une brunette
  Qu'elle dormait

One suspects our 'gallivanter' might have had more luck with Sally Bowles using this chat up line! ???  I think the difference between waltz and bourrée in this would be a flick of the wrist. Anyway - very well played, and I liked that other one a lot too
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2011, 10:00:24 PM »

Chris, did just type that up or is there an on line source for this sort of info???

About the flick of the wrist:  I suspect you are right.  I notice many bourrees when played on one row have a direction change for the last beat of the measure, rhythmcally and haronically supporting the 3-1- -3-1- -3-1- ... of the bourree.

Thanks for the kind words.
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #90 on: February 20, 2011, 12:04:10 PM »

It's directly off the sleeve notes of the Cotillon CD (I didn't inflict their english translation)!   IME la Chavanée always performed this as a song - while of course their dancers danced - but I wasn't there before until made the CD approx 1994.  As far as I can tell Cotillon is now sadly deleted but here's how it sounds played by Paris (.wma I'm afraid). 

  http://www.chrisryall.net/tunes/chassebecasse.wma  (as a 'quote' in context of this tread) 
  Usual rules: if you like Chavanée's music - buy their albums! 

Fredu's base runs are to me quite incredible, all done with the index finger, keeping his tune running with the other three :o  - and all the while still singing along with Eveline!  As he develops, there's another nice example of 'simple tune - can do more with it'   

Gary, they're in G and the the melody ends on a 'plagal' C chord rather than resolving to tonic. Dunno about the wider use of ending on the scale subdominant, but Chavanée are very gurdy orientated, and that came from church music - and this is the famous "Amen cadence".  But doesn't it impart drive here!  And intriguingly - the melody never uses a C note. Chris
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #91 on: February 20, 2011, 01:01:35 PM »

Can I recommend anything by Martin Cayla.
"Martin Cayla was the bandleader and chromatic button accordion player of the very popular Auvergne dance band of the 1940's and 1950's. Complete with that good old scratchy old-record sound and lots of whooping (a bit like a French Bob Wills). Anyone interested in playing Central France music should learn several of these tunes, as they're classics".
I managed to get 28 tracks on a CD from the USA and it really is wild!
There is one track on UTube.

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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #92 on: February 20, 2011, 01:17:32 PM »

Wow - that's so Auvergne 'the Real Thing'!  The youtubes confuse, with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH_b2NRW0qA having an old 78 saying Cayla plays Cabrette (bagpipe). The other has a mec holding a 5-row, with "Martin Cayla" actually written on it. French Wiki also has him as a bagpiper/singer and the recordings don't have both together.  Do we know more ???   Thanks for the reference either way -  another song for dance example
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #93 on: February 20, 2011, 01:51:48 PM »

That's fantastic.  Yet another version of 3 beat bourrées that have a title something like "On d'onoren Garda."  My sources have slightly different first and second measures:
  
http://accordeonaire.blogspot.com/2011/02/another-bourree.html

What a great tune, and probably the first bourrée I learned.  The 16th notes on the 1-and always throw people off -- they think it's the pick up.  I find it interesting how the chromatic accordion was so ubiquitous at the time.  You see pictures of rooms with 50 players, and not a diato in the bunch.  And they played fast!  Holy cow.  Speedy play is not an invention of our impatient times.  I've got a Sylex CD with 26 tracks, but not the one you cited.  I have another CD, Accordeons en Aubrec, which is a very similar style but more recently recorded so cleaner sounding.  All chromatic, all the time.  Not something I can do, but I love it, and I learn a lot of tunes from these.

About the Cotillion CD, I had it on tape back when I had the Carnet de Bal tape, and it died as well.  I didn't know it was ever on CD.  I'm thinking of biting the bullet and buying repros of these from Mitch Gordon music.  I have bought or DLed (legally) everything I  can in the States.  I have Bécasse on the AMTA compilation, Danse! (which has a picture of a guy on a tractor on the cover).

I play the tune in C and have the harmony ending -- under the long notes -- moving from F to Amin and back to F.  Only resolves to the C when the tune starts again.  (I notice a similar thing with the scottish "Plant a Cao.")
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #94 on: February 20, 2011, 05:20:49 PM »

I believe that Cayla played both, pipes and accordeon. On the subject of pictures a quick image search throws up one of MC surrounded by dozens of players. I think I read that he ran a music shop, a series of bars and recorded Auvergne music in Paris where he was based. Some of his stuff is on a CD called l'Ame de l'Auvergne but I am unable to find anyone selling it. (Hint - if anyone can source it I would be very interested).
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #95 on: February 20, 2011, 07:58:06 PM »

Can I cheat a bit on this one ...?

I know it's very very late to post this - but I have a couple of tunes on YouTube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvEr3ZWvuBQ

I should re-record them - I was on hyper-drive....
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #96 on: February 20, 2011, 08:38:47 PM »

Very nice.  I don't think you need to slow down.  French waltzes tend to be faster than yer average.
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2011, 08:37:57 AM »

Yup - they'd dance to that!  French style is more spin than sway with quite small steps.  Second tune is AFAIR a Mel Steven's composition
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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2011, 10:44:16 AM »

  Second tune is AFAIR a Mel Steven's composition

Nope, I believe it's just a trad France waltz that the Rosbif chaps collected on their travels. No one knows who wrote it, nor its original title - indeed on the Rosbif album, it has no title. You can find the Rosbif recording of this track on Alan Day's 'Anglo International' compilation - it's Alan and Mel playing it. Mel, amongst many, many, many talents was a great melodeon player. I haven't seen him pick up a melodeon in years though - these days he mostly plays bagpipes, continental button accordion, hurdy gurdy a bit, and of course, with GIG CB, trombone. And apparently, friend of a friend stuff, he's an astonishingly good blues guitarist.

Cheers,

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Re: Theme of the Month for August 2010 - Tunes from France
« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2011, 11:14:27 AM »

Yup - they'd dance to that!  French style is more spin than sway with quite small steps.  Second tune is AFAIR a Mel Steven's composition

It took me ages to learn in Em it some years back - on the Rosbif LP it's in Gm. I had to put it onto cassette and slow it down....

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