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Pig Dyke Molly--Moral Turpitude
« on: August 28, 2010, 08:59:25 PM »

Maybe you all have already discovered this, but why are these totally great tunes not more often played?  Especially since the (perpetrator) is "of this parish" as often said.
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Re: Pig Dyke Molly--Moral Turpitude
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 02:33:06 PM »

Which tune? The one we're using now, or the ones featured in the YouTube videos mentioned in a couple of recent threads?

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Re: Pig Dyke Molly--Moral Turpitude
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 04:40:26 PM »

Mr. Cool--

Both Robins (I believe that is the person, recently passed on?) and yours, both excellent.

I am thinking these are the tunes that get one "rusticated" from the Morris orthodoxy.

Have they been collected in any tune books or sites?
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Re: Pig Dyke Molly--Moral Turpitude
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 05:02:39 PM »

Hi Steve
try
http://www.pigdyke.co.uk/news.php

scroll down to Robin Griggs.

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Re: Pig Dyke Molly--Moral Turpitude
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 05:54:25 PM »

I thought the current tune for Moral Turpitude was Jack the Horse Courser's, a brilliant tune. It's in the Winder manuscript, almost certainly slightly mistranscribed.

ABC as from my iPhone tunebook -- from the Village Music Project, but with the B music set into Dmaj as suggested.
X:1
T:Jack the Horse Courser (amended) JWDM.13
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/2=100
S:J.Winder MS,Wyresdale,Lancs.,1789
R:.Hornpipe
O:England
A:Lancashire
Z:vmp.Taz Tarry
K:G
G2g2d2(cB)|cBAG F2 (ED)|GDGB AFED|GDGB AFED|!
G2g2d2(cB)|cBAG F2 (ED)|c2(BA)B2(AG)|D2F2G4:|!
K:D
|:d2g2f2(ed)|e2(fd)c2(BA)|dAdf ecBA|dAdf ecBA|!
d2g2f2ed|e2fdc2(BA)|=c2(BA)B2(AG)|D2F2G4:|]
W:Something odd about the key in B music. Try Dmaj.



 

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Re: Pig Dyke Molly--Moral Turpitude
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 06:12:10 PM »

I am thinking these are the tunes that get one "rusticated" from the Morris orthodoxy.

The origins of Molly are quite anarchic, aiming to shock and confuse. "orthodoxy" isn't in our nature!
Hence the drive to find or write music that sounds as unlike conventional morris or country dance tunes as possible, while still being danceable.

All Molly is based on a very small amount of collected material, the music mostly based on common country dance tunes. A great deal of inventive development has followed as the collected dances are simple and repetitive and don't make great entertainment in their original form. In any case there's plenty of evidence to suggest they were fairly improvised and not based on any long and respected tradition, so making up your own dances is quite in order.

See Tony Forster's article at http://www.pigdyke.co.uk/what-is-molly.php for background.

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Have they been collected in any tune books or sites?
They are on CD - see http://www.pigdyke.co.uk/music.php under "Music Recordings"
Rob didn't read or write music, and we didn't want to sell any remaining or newly manufactured copies of the early band CD or his solo CD as there might be confusion about who was entitled to the money raised - so we put them on the site for free download (with permission from his family, of course)

The current Music 2009 CD is based on tunes we currently play, though we have introduced one new tune since then.

For completists there is also http://www.pigdyke.co.uk/frostandfire.php which is another musical collaboration of Rob's that has very little to do with Pig Dyke's music.

The version of "Jack The Horse Courser" that Alison's just posted is pretty well exactly how we play it.
(though I add some harmonies and we jazz it up a bit)
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Re: Pig Dyke Molly--Moral Turpitude
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 09:48:48 PM »

Thanks all, for the great resources.

Samba-time "morris" music should be much more prevalent.  I've not been aware of its existence.  As stated, it really is social dance sets rather than morris sets, great stuff.

In the States, we so seldom have live morris sides, not never, but seldom, so molly would be, well psychedelic.

Sends me back to some old norteno albums...jazzed up.
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