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Temperatures and melodeons
« on: May 15, 2008, 01:46:11 PM »

Hi all,

Possibly a stupid question, but I'm sure I read somewhere (quite probably on here), that you have to be a bit careful with melodeons in extremes of temperature because of the wax that holds the reeds in. How extreme are extremes? I'm heading up to Shepley festival this weekend, and will be taking my box with me (it's first outing!!), but it'll probably spend most of the weekend in the car - is a warm summer's day temperature in a car in the sun likely to cause problems? Should I lug it around with me and use the box as a seat? Equally, how cold does it have to be to cause a problem? I'd rather take steps to avoid it rather than having to pay for it to be sorted out afterwards  ::)

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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 01:52:58 PM »

is a warm summer's day temperature in a car in the sun likely to cause problems?

Yes! 

Your melodeon likes the same conditions that you would find comfortable.  If you can't avoid leaving it in the care on a sunny day then wrap it in a blanket, coat or other insulating material to keep the heat out, and put it out of direct sunlight.
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 01:59:32 PM »

Aha, perfect, that's exactly what I wanted to know, thankyou!

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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 04:00:34 PM »

I use one of those large insulated shopping bags they sell in supermarkets to carry frozen foods and put the "cool" melodeon inside. Its shiny silver-colored surface seems to repel heat well too.
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 04:54:01 PM »

I'm heading up to Shepley festival this weekend, and will be taking my box with me (it's first outing!!) ...

Ellie, come and introuce yourself as I will be there too. I will be one of the box players for Silkstone Greens, a North-West side. Cheers.
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2008, 05:19:25 PM »

Cold is also a problem. I once turned a Catagnari Lilly into a very expensicve shakey egg by going from a hot pub to a freezing dance spot and playing a big pull chord and all the reeds fell off.  :'(

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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 05:24:51 PM »

If only we could find a way of turning shaky eggs into Castagnaris.  ;)
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 07:06:47 PM »

If only we could find a way of turning shaky eggs into Castagnaris.  ;)

You probably just need to warm them up the right amount - Delia should know how ;D
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 04:12:21 PM »

I find that using those silver sheets that you put inside the car windows that face the sun helps keep the temp down too (and if possible) leave windows open or sun roof a crack.  Try to park so that the boot (assuming that's where the box is stored) is facing away from the sun during the hot part of the day.  It's surprising though how even on really hot days how cool the boot can stay but better safe than sorry.
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 09:29:48 PM »

By curiosity, what is the melting point of the wax used in a melodeon?
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 11:55:53 PM »

By curiosity, what is the melting point of the wax used in a melodeon?

Like the beeswax and rosin it is largely composed if it does not behave as a simple solid or liquid with a well defined melting point.  It starts to soften around 60C and is completely liquid by about 80C
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2008, 10:06:06 AM »

Well, heat certainly wasn't a problem - I should've known not to expect heat in Yorkshire ::)

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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2008, 09:38:38 PM »

Don't some melodeons have screwed down reed plates? I can see how this would add extra weight, but surely that would eliminate the thermo-woes?
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2008, 09:41:04 PM »

But would screwed-down plates be as air-tight as waxed ones?
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2008, 10:02:16 PM »


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But would screwed-down plates be as air-tight as waxed ones?

I struggled for a moment as to why this made me think of David Bowie. It came to me eventually....

"screwed up eyes and screwed down hairdo
Like some cat from Japan, he could lick 'em by smiling
He could leave 'em to hang
Came on so loaded man, well hung and snow white tan"

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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2008, 12:04:25 AM »

But would screwed-down plates be as air-tight as waxed ones?

Yes just as airtight with well made reedblocks and a suitable gasket material.  There can be slight differences in tone, not that one is better necessarily, just slightly different.
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2008, 02:21:20 PM »

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But would screwed-down plates be as air-tight as waxed ones?

I dont see why not as a lot of concertinas already use screw-down plates
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2008, 10:36:30 AM »

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But would screwed-down plates be as air-tight as waxed ones?

I dont see why not as a lot of concertinas already use screw-down plates

Well I've repaired a lot of concertinas and I have to disagree about the screwed down reedplates.  In my experience its only bass concertinas, or the bass reeds in baritone concertinas that have the reed plates screwed down.
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2008, 02:23:51 PM »

The Geuns concertina or earlier Geuns/Wakker concertina were made with screw fixed accordion reeds.
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Re: Temperatures and melodeons
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2008, 02:45:13 PM »

  But would screwed-down plates be as air-tight as waxed ones? 

    Screwed down reed plates (especially brass-framed reeds) seem to the flavour of the month these days in Quebec ... especially among those who love to fiddle with tuning, etc.  It's just different.
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