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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2010, 09:45:56 AM »

It was a pleasure to see two programs on folk dancing that didn't try to be flippant, unduly patronising, or take the p*ss.

As a regular at festivals, it was strange to think that some of these people were seeing step clog or rapper for the first time.

The Abbot's Bromley tune has been discussed to death and back again on the Morris discussion list. The "purists" make great play of the village's laid back attitude to the dance and music, but danced at dusk to torchlight and the "other" tune it does have a certain atmosphere...

The "male only" aspect is a strong feature of the Moulton morris side and Care family, to be expected, but since it's the side and family that brought us Simon Care - a melodeon ambassador of the first order - I guess we should take the rough with the smooth!

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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2010, 09:52:23 AM »

In August 2009 the sharp-tongued TV critic of the Sunday Times, A.A. Gill, wrote an article about Thaxted in which he was won round to the Morris tradition-something I never thought would happen with a metropolitan professional cynic.

In the Culture section of the ST today (12/12/10) he favourably reviews the "Still Folk Dancing.." and "Come Clog Dancing" programmes.

I think the ST is now behind a "paywall" on the web, so you have to buy to read. However, he finishes his review thus:-
"Still, I really enjoyed both these programmes, and they did what the best arts programmes do:made me want to see more. I didn't want to read a book or go to a movie, I wanted to see more telly. I want someone to do a proper big series on folk culture, on the untrained, unmediated, unacademic art of Britain."

My sentiments exactly.
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2010, 09:55:30 AM »

For those with an internet connection - I would say a good proportion of those here :-) the "Still Folk Dancing" program is available to watch or download on the BBC4 website, a search will find it.

As indeed is the clog programme. Just found it. Last time I posted one of these links it didn't work but a simple search found it.   http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00wmy5q

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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2010, 09:57:51 AM »

For those with an internet connection - I would say a good proportion of those here :-) the "Still Folk Dancing" program is available to watch or download on the BBC4 website, a search will find it.

As indeed is the clog programme. Just found it. Last time I posted one of these links it didn't work but a simple search found it.   http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00wmy5q

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He wasn't wearing a beard (at that time, anyway).
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2010, 10:11:59 AM »

Malcolm

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Your wish etc. He appears to be playing a very odd sort of melodeon   :o
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2010, 10:19:57 AM »

Malcolm

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Your wish etc. He appears to be playing a very odd sort of melodeon   :o

A few moments before that I was shown playing a box.
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2010, 02:56:00 PM »

Inevitably we had a chat about the programmes during last night's ceilidh.
One friend said there was interesting discussions about it on Facebook, as his friends are very much morris and folkworld centred. It was felt it was quite 'ring-ish' in it's choice of morris by many. Not being in the Ring, I have no idea!
Another friend suggested was that if you were to want to reseach a programme you'd inevitably be pointed towards Cecil Sharpe House, and  thereby be pointed in a certain direction over choice of morris and folk culture.
Interesting observations, cannot tell if it's true or not.
Haven't yet caught up on the cloggie prog, will inevitably try and spot Theo!!!!
I suppose in general terms, it's nice to get air time and sensible presentation of things, as opposed to presenters simply taking the micky afor cheap laughs.

I quite enjoyed the followup on friday with Bellowhead. I appreciate they might well not appeal to some, but the flip side is the *do* appeal to a lot of younger people, my teenage daughters are an example. The finale was simply a whole lot of fun to me. If that style of performance shows a way into folk and traditional music to a new possibly younger audience, well, that's  definitely good in my opinion. My way in was listening to the Yetties. Again, not everyone's cup of tea, but they showed me a whole new world of tunes songs and music. It got me and I'm still here.
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2010, 03:41:12 PM »

Quite a coincidence that Theo was on the clog dance programme and I was playing for the East Anglian steppers in the Unthanks programme.
It just shows that we don't spend all our time fixing your pesky melodeons.  ;)
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2010, 06:56:58 PM »

Malcolm

who doesn't know what Theo looks like so doesn't know where to look! Anyone give me a clue?

Your wish etc. He appears to be playing a very odd sort of melodeon   :o

I thought Theo had long curly hair and always wore a hat!

It was felt it was quite 'ring-ish' in it's choice of morris by many. Not being in the Ring, I have no idea!
Another friend suggested was that if you were to want to reseach a programme you'd inevitably be pointed towards Cecil Sharpe House, and  thereby be pointed in a certain direction over choice of morris and folk culture.


it was indeed ring-ish, but the programme was about traditional festivals rather than morris dancing, and the sides that have been around for years and are involved with these festivals do tend to be ring sides.
I seem to remember I spotted one female dancer somewhere.
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2010, 07:25:20 PM »


A few moments before that I was shown playing a box.

Thanks to Lester for the tip - I thought the shot with the box was quite distinguished, with the talk of a small group of enthusiasts in the background.
Mind you I only got a good look on the third try, the first two I was looking to see what the box was.

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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2010, 07:57:38 PM »

Malcolm

who doesn't know what Theo looks like so doesn't know where to look! Anyone give me a clue?

Your wish etc. He appears to be playing a very odd sort of melodeon   :o

A few moments before that I was shown playing a box.

and were you still beardless?

I expected to see you there for some reason, but was unable to spot you.
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2010, 12:41:02 AM »

Another melodeon fixer, Mr Pete Grassby was seen playing for Abbots Bromley Horn Dancers.
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2010, 08:57:15 AM »

Mind you I only got a good look on the third try, the first two I was looking to see what the box was.

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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2010, 07:56:05 AM »

Both the links say: "not available in your area"
Bugger!

I'll stop reading this thread now or I might get jealous
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2010, 09:30:02 AM »

Both the links say: "not available in your area"
Bugger!

I'll stop reading this thread now or I might get jealous

This might help - not used it myself:


> And for those outside the UK you can view BBC iPlayer using
> http://expatshield.com/
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2010, 10:36:33 AM »

I've just watched the clog dance programme. Absolutely excellent - just like a folk ambush / commando trad thingy.
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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2010, 12:00:20 PM »

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I've just watched the clog dance programme. Absolutely excellent - just like a folk ambush / commando trad thingy

Just downloaded the expatshield and watched the Clogs. So where can I get a pair and who's going to volunteer to do video tutorials?

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Re: Folk programs on BBC four
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2010, 10:16:23 PM »

Been enjoying re running the clog prog

Rees, I seem to remember you were doing your best 'James Herriott' bit inside someones 'pesky' box just before they filmed that bit of stepping  ;D

Has anyone considered the bravery of our noble Theo, nonchalantly chatting and squeezing while those rowdies were whirling their ferramenta around nearby like a demented garden shredder ? Did you go and witness / play at the Flash clog Theo ? it certainly appeared to have been well received and to have roused a lot of spirit amongst those not involved - or was that the magic of the editing suite ?

Interested to learn they use Sycamore instead of Alder for the soles, I wondered where they had got enough clogs from for the new recruits.

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