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John MacKenzie (Cugiok)

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Definition of a gentleman
« on: December 07, 2019, 10:22:43 AM »

Someone who can play PA, but doesn't  >:E


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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2019, 10:47:29 AM »

I love playing the pa, but my gentlemanly instincts prevent it. I don't like the sound of them mostly, except when Basil from SW accordions plays, or this:
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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2019, 11:39:32 AM »

There are some excellent p.a players, I admit. However I think it would take several years of re- education for me to understand what the point of all those black and white keys and multiplicity of buttons is. I suppose I could get a tune out of one but I don't consider myself a gentleman...
By the way, I noticed that Paul Hutchinson was playing a P.A. with all black treble keys last Sunday but I reckon he knows his way around the instrument more than a bit ! ;D

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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2019, 11:48:20 AM »

I've done two 'Playing for Dancing' workshops with Paul Hutchinson, he is a great musician and a master of the PA. Obviously one of the exceptions that prove the rule!  :D
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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2019, 12:04:10 PM »

my vote for master of the non classical piano box would go to Mick Foster - several youtube vids available of him playing solo and ins sessions

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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 12:26:38 PM »

By the way, I noticed that Paul Hutchinson was playing a P.A. with all black treble keys last Sunday but I reckon he knows his way around the instrument more than a bit ! ;D
Actually the layout of the keys is plenty of information. The colour distinction is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. It would be like having the inside row of the melodeon a different colour. We all know where that row is without the need for colour coding. For me the worst thing about the PA is the cramped position of the right hand compared to the piano. You really can't open the hand in the same way. Whereas I find with the melodeon it is much more ergonomic.
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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2019, 01:38:34 PM »

Interesting point about the ergonomics p+t. (And I fully agree that the colour of the notes on the p.a. make absolutely no difference ! 😊)
I learned piano as a child to a basic level (and in retrospect I wish that I had learned a portable instrument, as there were no opportunities for me to practice as a weekly boarding pupil at school). But when I got involved in folk music at Uni I had no thought of trying P.A. - the bulk and unwieldiness put me off and the bounce, lift and drive of melodeon was just so much better for the music I have always liked. But of course some P.A. players are  fantastic musicians - I doubt I would have been anything other than more mediocre if I'd gone down that path !

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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2019, 02:07:46 PM »

I could never play a piano accordion! Technically, it is not an "accordion". I do play some button chromatic though. I have a big 4-voice 5-row Paolo Soprani and a smaller Maugein Export.
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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2019, 04:41:37 PM »

You are probably dissing the PA cos you don’t understand it.  >:E  I can’t bear what I think of as 'elevator' or 'accordion club' music played on a PA, or the evil that are digital PAs. But when played like Paul Hutchinson, or in the Eastern European style, or French musette, or Klezmer..etc. then it’s hard to match. And it’s fully chromatic. The advantage of being a melodeon player and a PA player is that one tends to work the bellows on a PA more than your average accordion teacher can bear. The big drawback of a PA is it’s size and weight compared to a diatonic box. It’s an inelegant looking beast at the best of times. But a good one, like Paul's Beltuna Studio, is a beautiful instrument.

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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2019, 05:56:18 PM »

not that I am defending the piano box but  not all are large  or sometimes refered to as 'full size' i.e. 120 bass and probably 13 or so couplers.  A small 2 voice 40 or 48 bass box will do everything a 2 row DG box is capable of and quite a bit more and is not at all heavy .energy is also saved my not doing constant in and outing of the bellws to get the requird  treble notes and of course it is chromatic. Same goes for a small continental chromatic B or C system

The diatonic button box AKA melodeon  is  in 2 row form more compact but in 3 row form is not much different from a 40 bass piano box'

However presumably all of us on this forum  , for whatever reason  are addicted to anad greatly enjoy the idiosyncrasies of the so called 'diatonic' push pull system  and  from a personal point of view that is why I play ''melodeons'' with from 2 to 96 bass and one to three treble rows.  On the rare occasions I play a piano or continental box I have to concentrate very hard to avoid keeping a finger on a button'key and giving the bellows a quick waggle in expectation of a different note!

All ''melodeons'' are accordions but not all ''accordions'' are melodeons - or something like that

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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2019, 01:00:28 AM »

Playing a diatonic box (or other diatonic instrument) will make you a better PA player.  It's not the instrument itself.  Rather, it's the depth of understanding of the music by the player.  I have a 48 bass PA that I'll use on occasions to save hauling multiple diatonics to cover all the keys...but I'll play the same notes I'd play on my Erica.  What I miss is the punch of changing bellows directions and the "sports car" dynamic response of the smaller, higher pressure bellows.
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Re: Definition of a gentleman
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2019, 09:00:45 AM »

Definition of a Gentleman? OP
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