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Re: Shooting
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2011, 11:19:59 AM »

I've played it with the aforementioned Mr Dedic for Smiffs in the past.
The arrangement we used to do was pure D drones the first couple of time through (a real exercise in row crossing and air management), only starting to add chords after that. I think there was a key change at some point, and by the end there was a wall of sound with chords, tune, countermelodies and fistfuls of RH harmonies all going on at once, and you have to imagine that on two Oakwood boxes....

That is a fabulous rendition of the tune, and has wonderful "morris energy" about it.
You've totally captured the spirit of it - it's a joy to hear and brought back memories.
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2011, 11:53:42 AM »

OH Ollie, I was hoping to learn this by playing along with your Video and shifting the pitch in Audacity but it won't shift it to the
Ollie Tuning  ::)

I've only just noticed that you play it in the upper octave. Is that the norm. for this tune  ???

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Re: Shooting
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2011, 04:41:00 PM »

OH Ollie, I was hoping to learn this by playing along with your Video and shifting the pitch in Audacity but it won't shift it to the
Ollie Tuning  ::)

I've only just noticed that you play it in the upper octave. Is that the norm. for this tune  ???

cheers
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When played in the "normal" Morris style it is played in the lower octave. Most everyone I have heard plays it in D to start for three times through then up to G to give the (my opinion yours may vary) rather tedious dance and tune a bit of a lift. Mind you I do like Ollie's interpretation.

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Re: Shooting
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2011, 06:57:17 PM »

OH Ollie, I was hoping to learn this by playing along with your Video and shifting the pitch in Audacity but it won't shift it to the
Ollie Tuning  ::)

I've only just noticed that you play it in the upper octave. Is that the norm. for this tune  ???

cheers
Sandy
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When played in the "normal" Morris style it is played in the lower octave. Most everyone I have heard plays it in D to start for three times through then up to G to give the (my opinion yours may vary) rather tedious dance and tune a bit of a lift. Mind you I do like Ollie's interpretation.

It's no more tedious than any other Adderbury stick dance. Dancing to that arrangement does make a big difference.
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2011, 10:52:11 PM »

OH Ollie, I was hoping to learn this by playing along with your Video and shifting the pitch in Audacity but it won't shift it to the
Ollie Tuning  ::)

I've only just noticed that you play it in the upper octave. Is that the norm. for this tune  ???

cheers
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It's usually played in G - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hby2BkNAyWQ. I play it in 'D' because of the chordal arrangement, and up the octave cos IMO it's a bit too low down the octave, especially on the Erika.

Many thanks for all your kind comments.  (:)
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2011, 11:02:04 PM »

OH Ollie, I was hoping to learn this by playing along with your Video and shifting the pitch in Audacity but it won't shift it to the
Ollie Tuning  ::)

I've only just noticed that you play it in the upper octave. Is that the norm. for this tune  ???

cheers
Sandy
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When played in the "normal" Morris style it is played in the lower octave. Most everyone I have heard plays it in D to start for three times through then up to G to give the (my opinion yours may vary) rather tedious dance and tune a bit of a lift. Mind you I do like Ollie's interpretation.

It's no more tedious than any other Adderbury stick dance. Dancing to that arrangement does make a big difference.

Any dance is just as tedious as the music and dancing makes it -- or not.

Shooting done the way we do it (rearranged for 12 dancers, with music like wot Anahata said) is one of our favourite "show dances". You can see it as danced at the Committee Band farewell dance here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18988243916&v=app_2392950137#!/video/video.php?v=1778010172682&oid=18988243916

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Re: Shooting
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2011, 11:40:11 PM »

Thanks Ian, the video was a pleasure to watch AND listen to.

Andy
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2011, 03:30:47 AM »

Gosh that was spectacular! The 'shooting' music was actually done very simply (liked the whistle descant in the middle though) and the power of the dance was sort of emphasised. 

I didn't expect a freebie -but I  think the second dance was to a Berrichon schottiche (?) - so good to see Morris  reinventing itself in this way. Thanks - and another side to watch our for in the festival season ('cept I'm North of Watford Gap)!
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2011, 08:13:09 AM »

As Sandy will tell you, I nearly exploded with sheer delight the first time I saw that video.  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2011, 08:26:59 AM »

I actually agree with Lester on this one. I've always felt "Shooting" to be a dull tune, and its a tedious dance.  Yet with some verve and imagination all this happens! We can't both be wrong?  ???

Sort of brings out again that the simpler the starting material - the more you can do with it? 
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2011, 10:08:00 AM »

Shooting done the way we do it (rearranged for 12 dancers, with music like wot Anahata said) is one of our favourite "show dances". You can see it as danced at the Committee Band farewell dance here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18988243916&v=app_2392950137#!/video/video.php?v=1778010172682&oid=18988243916
I don't have a Facebook account, so I can't see the video. Please can you alter the settings so that it is visible to everyone?
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2011, 11:10:32 AM »

I don't have a Facebook account

Good man - welcome to the club! (it's getting quite exclusive, these days)
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2011, 10:48:31 PM »

Very impressive - thanks for posting
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2011, 09:41:34 AM »

I don't have a Facebook account
Good man - welcome to the club! (it's getting quite exclusive, these days)
I can make it a trio
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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2011, 10:40:22 AM »

I don't have a Facebook account
Good man - welcome to the club! (it's getting quite exclusive, these days)
I can make it a trio
We'll soon have a band - I'll make it a quartet
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2011, 11:10:42 AM »

The video is not on You Tube so I don't think you'll find another link for it unless we find the friend of a friend of a friend who put it on there in the first place.. I'm afraid boys that you will probably have to find a nice friend with facebook to show you this....it's well worth it.  8)
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2011, 11:21:52 AM »

With FB pictures the owner of the pics has access to a public link which can be given to non-members to allow them to view.  I have not put any videos on my FB, but I'd be surprised if there was not a similar thing for them.
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2011, 06:14:52 PM »

Gosh that was spectacular! The 'shooting' music was actually done very simply (liked the whistle descant in the middle though) and the power of the dance was sort of emphasised.  

I didn't expect a freebie -but I  think the second dance was to a Berrichon schottiche (?) - so good to see Morris  reinventing itself in this way. Thanks - and another side to watch our for in the festival season ('cept I'm North of Watford Gap)!

The second dance is another of our "show dance" favourites -- Bampton Sidestep danced to Serpentiner och Konfetti, a tune which I can modestly claim to have introduced to the Morris world with the permission of its author (Mats Eden of Groupa).

Several teams have adopted it, in fact its even rumoured that Bampton have used it for Sidestep -- it is the best tune I've ever found for the dance, it gets the team six inches higher off the ground than any other (and I've tried lots...)

Ian

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Re: Shooting
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2011, 06:39:36 PM »

The video is not on You Tube so I don't think you'll find another link for it unless we find the friend of a friend of a friend who put it on there in the first place.. I'm afraid boys that you will probably have to find a nice friend with facebook to show you this....it's well worth it.  8)
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Sandy asked me via a PM to explain what I did with the chords...

First 3 times through the dance couldn't be simpler, just a D drone on the bass end but following the rhythm of the dance. You have to play the tune partly on pull on the G row and partly on push on the D row for this to work. I gradually bring in a low second line below the tune on the RH to thicken up the sound as the dance builds up. The idea is to give a low threatening bagpipe-y feel to the dance, keeping the speed down to add to the menace.

Last 3 times move up a gear to lift the dancers and switch to these chords, where | is a bar line (written out as 3 chords per bar, 3 beats each since it's 9/8)

A music -- second line usually above the tune, RH chords punched in to add drive
| D D D | B G A |
| D D B | G A D |

B music -- punch in RH chords/harmonies, LH basses are in polska rhythm (middle beat missing) until the last bar
| D - B | A - G |
| D - B | G A D |

Finish with a punched chord on both hands with a dead stop to let the sticks ring out.

Enjoy...

Ian
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Re: Shooting
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2011, 11:32:01 AM »


Sandy asked me via a PM to explain what I did with the chords...

First 3 times through the dance couldn't be simpler, just a D drone on the bass end but following the rhythm of the dance. You have to play the tune partly on pull on the G row and partly on push on the D row for this to work. I gradually bring in a low second line below the tune on the RH to thicken up the sound as the dance builds up. The idea is to give a low threatening bagpipe-y feel to the dance, keeping the speed down to add to the menace.

Last 3 times move up a gear to lift the dancers and switch to these chords, where | is a bar line (written out as 3 chords per bar, 3 beats each since it's 9/8)

A music -- second line usually above the tune, RH chords punched in to add drive
| D D D | B G A |
| D D B | G A D |

B music -- punch in RH chords/harmonies, LH basses are in polska rhythm (middle beat missing) until the last bar
| D - B | A - G |
| D - B | G A D |

Finish with a punched chord on both hands with a dead stop to let the sticks ring out.

Enjoy...

Ian

Much appreciated..
thanks
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