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Hohner Club
« on: February 08, 2011, 01:50:07 PM »

 Just a thought, can you still find the old Hohner playing manuals that must have
 been available for the club system at the height of the Club melodeon craze
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 01:56:49 PM »

have you seen this website?
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Re: Hohner Club
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2011, 02:13:46 PM »

 wonderful! thanks Guys... going to be some late nights this summer

Cheers!

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Re: Hohner Club
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2011, 03:23:12 PM »

Roydon,

I have another one I'm happy to share, if you're interested.  Some poor confused previous owner has gone through in a few places and written the notes from conventional notation next to the the Holzschuh tab, which puts everything off by a note or more, depending on where you are, and ignores the diatonicity (new word?) of the instrument.  Really confusing, I suspect, which is probably why the poor guy gave up on the thing.  I got the book included with a 40 year-old second hand club box I bought that was almost unplayed.  The case of the instrument was riddled with dart-holes, which suggests someone got a bit frustrated at some point. 
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2011, 04:11:57 PM »

At the moment I have the borrow of Matt B's club, which is in great shape, I have to say, and plays wonderfully.  But the instruction book is nearly useless.  That's probably overstating it.  It's probably useful to someone who wants to play in Vienna in 1930.  It does overlook the "diatonisity" of the box, but I wonder if attending to the diatonicity of a Club defeats the purpose of having a Club.  They were designed the way they were to do a particular thing well.  If you don't want to do that thing, do you want a Club?  If the box I'm borrowing were a C/F + 6, with conventional basses, it would be a dream Hohner.
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Re: Hohner Club
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2011, 09:49:44 PM »

  They were designed the way they were to do a particular thing well.
 Gary,
is there music I can go to and hear what they were designed for.. I play mostly Blues/Zydeco
and find my Hohner ouverture IV great for chords and short chromatic runs on turnarounds.
Ive only been playing for a couple of years and have a long way to go but I find my Club
easier to play (note wise) than my Corona IIIR.

Matthew B,
thanks for the offer... I should find my own as my 2 kids seem able to find and destroy song books
set lists, cheat sheets etc if I'm even the slightest bit absentminded

cheers.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 04:06:15 PM »

Roydon,
I have a pdf you're welcome to use.  Then you can loose the digital file rather than the paper copy! 

Gary,
Glad you're enjoying it!  I'm looking forwards to learning how you've been using the thing, maybe when it warms up a bit, and the semester ends!  As for it being the "perfect Hohner".  There are, as I'm sure you know, quite a lot of people who agree with you, and who change the tuning aroudn to suit their personal tastes.  I have a recently acquired a club modified to D/G/Acc which is a lot of fun, and opens some interesting new possibilities.

As to club tuning used outside the Steirische idiom: check out the Brazilian Gaita Ponto.  This guy does some online tutorials http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCbGYIBc26U&feature=related for Brazilian style playing on a box with a gleichton, but no half-row.  Doesn't sound even remotely Alpine!  The common characteristic seems to be that these guys don't do a lot of reversals.  More like the Italian style of playing than the in-and-out that seems more common with some other styles.

Clubs are also great chord boxes, if you have the patience or knowledge to figure out where all the options lie. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 02:26:37 PM »

  They were designed the way they were to do a particular thing well.
 Gary,
is there music I can go to and hear what they were designed for..

In another thread, someone directed me to these sites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc2kFSU-3JY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu-r5BZQJBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Ta5xAcrTE

Interesting speedy stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 02:29:39 PM »

I was looking at a Club....but I don't think I have the patience to re-learn the keyboard...
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2011, 11:08:11 PM »

Yes, but if you buy an old club at a good price it will always need to be fettled and tuned.  They really built the bigger boxes well and it costs the same to convert to D/G/acc with standard basses rather than just to refurb.

I have a couple of good playable CF clubs and sometimes think of having one of them set up as a 2 1/2 row DG with fourth button start, like Theo did for the wrecked Preciosa I bought.  As the D/G is so high pitched, it's great to have the option of playing in the lower register with the extra low notes made available in this arrangement.  Of course, if anyone can think how to convert the bass end to twelve button, I could be interested...?

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 12:30:19 AM »

  Of course, if anyone can think how to convert the bass end to twelve button, I could be interested...?

...I'm working on it...
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2011, 07:55:22 AM »

As to club tuning used outside the Steirische idiom:
Could some kind soul explain to me what "Steirische" means? It appears a lot on ebay.de but I haven't been able to find a translation.

Pref in words of one syllable or less, I am not musically trained!

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2011, 08:14:04 AM »

As to club tuning used outside the Steirische idiom:
Could some kind soul explain to me what "Steirische" means? It appears a lot on ebay.de but I haven't been able to find a translation.

Pref in words of one syllable or less, I am not musically trained!

Ta muchfully

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steirische_Harmonika

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2011, 08:27:23 AM »

Thanks Lester - wonder how I missed that?  :|bl
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2011, 09:03:26 AM »

Thanks Lester - wonder how I missed that?  :|bl

Not much gets past our very own human search engine! ;D
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2011, 09:33:19 AM »

LOL

I think Steirisch has much in common with our very own apostrophe, or - on European Ebays - bandoneon. It has a very specific meaning and purpose but suffers from the "if in doubt, chuck it in anyway" syndrome.

I'm sure I've seen numerous standard two row boxes described as steirisch (and lost count of the number of concertinas from Chemnitzers to Hohner D40s, not excluding a few accordions, described as bandoneons).
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2011, 01:44:30 PM »

is there music I can go to and hear what they were designed for
I am completely convinced that the difference between the way a G/C melodeon or a D/G are played is way much bigger, than a difference between a D/G and a C/F Club.
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2011, 01:53:23 PM »

is there music I can go to and hear what they were designed for
I am completely convinced that the difference between the way a G/C melodeon or a D/G are played is way much bigger, than a difference between a D/G and a C/F Club.
That's very interesting.  Could you explain what you mean?
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2011, 02:59:19 PM »

That's very interesting.  Could you explain what you mean?
Avec Plaisir!
It was steve_freereeder, who first posted a comment that a G/C is a completely different animal than a D/G, or something like that.
Recently, I've been a participant at an excellent G/C melodeon workshop in Austria (what a nice bunch of people!) with Marinette Bonnert and Pere Romani. I noticed that G/C players play (more or less) everything on the kneemost (high-pitch) section on the outside row. We learned an A minor tune and we played it basically on the high-pitch section on the G row with significant cross-rowing, of course.
A G tune is played with completely different fingering on a G/C than on a D/G.
On the other hand a C/F box is played exactly the same way as D/G, the only difference is that the tune comes out in one note lower.
As far as I was able to watch correctly the Norvegian (great people!) melodeon players play their C/F boxes exactly the same way as the D/G players. IMHO, G/C, A/D, Bb/Eb boxes are one group, and C/F, D/G melodeons are another group.
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