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[Clive Williams]

Here we go folks - this month's winner, The Cheshire Waltz!

There's a couple of youtube videos we can pick it up off - you can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh_dNzXhT50] and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LkUsK_Ort8] - it's a lovely old English waltz. I must confess to never having played this tune before, so I don't have any hints or tips for you - as I figure some out, I'll let you know!

I don't have an ABC to hand - does any kind soul out there have one?

Cheers,

Clive

[folkbluesnbeyond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWlwKt0c7xA

THere should be a pdf of the dots attached if my understanding of the technology has worked.(I ignored the third repeat sign which seemed to be in error).

Now to check the territory north of the wall.


All the best.

Bill

[Lester]

X: 1
T:Cheshire Waltz
M:3/4
L:1/8
K:D
|:A2|f2fg fe|d2de dc|B2c2d2|A4f2|g2f2e2|b2a2c2|e2d2d2|d4:||
|g2|fa gf ed|c2e2g2|fa fd AF|D2F2A2|G2B2f2|g2e2d2|c2ed cB|A4A2|
f2fg fe|d2de dc|B2c2d2|A4f2|g2f2e2|b2a2c2|e2d2d2|d4||
|:A2|F2A2d2|d2c2B2|c2e2a2|g4f2|g2f2g2|B2e2d2|c2d2B2|A4:||
|:G2|F2A2d2|d2c2B2|c2e2a2|g4f2|g2f2g2|B2e2d2|dc BA Bc|d6:||

[ladydetemps]

I've only tried it on concertina before...so it will be a new challenge on melodeon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjsGZthLppw

[Lester]

I've only tried it on concertina before...so it will be a new challenge on melodeon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjsGZthLppw

Nice video. It makes me think that you should be really at home with row crossing as you do an awful lot on the concertina   

[ladydetemps]

I've only tried it on concertina before...so it will be a new challenge on melodeon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjsGZthLppw

Nice video. It makes me think that you should be really at home with row crossing as you do an awful lot on the concertina   

I'd have thought that too. Think I'd be okay on a C/G melodeon its just that D row that baffles me. lol!

The annoying thing is I have the dots but I've written out button numbers...and now I've changed layouts (from whetstone to jeffries) some of the notes are in different places. And the buttons have to be re-written out anyway for melodeon.

[Anahata]

The annoying thing is I have the dots but I've written out button numbers...and now I've changed layouts (from whetstone to jeffries) some of the notes are in different places. And the buttons have to be re-written out anyway for melodeon.

I know this is thread drift, but...
While button number tablature may be a great way to get a complete beginner past the "ooh look - I can play a tune!" stage, I think you've been playing long enough to be able to wean yourself off that and find another way of learning tunes/reading music. Especially if you play three different instruments 

The absolute best combination is to learn:
(a) to read music to sing at sight. Nobody has to listen to your singing. In fact what you are really after here is to be able to read music and hear in your head how the tune goes, the same way that you can read text and know what it means without having to say it out loud.
(b) to play tunes by ear.

Combining (a) and (b) means you can read any tune in any key on any instrument that you can play by ear.
It'll be hard work to start with but worth the effort.

[ladydetemps]

The annoying thing is I have the dots but I've written out button numbers...and now I've changed layouts (from whetstone to jeffries) some of the notes are in different places. And the buttons have to be re-written out anyway for melodeon.

I know this is thread drift, but...
While button number tablature may be a great way to get a complete beginner past the "ooh look - I can play a tune!" stage, I think you've been playing long enough to be able to wean yourself off that and find another way of learning tunes/reading music. Especially if you play three different instruments  

I only need the tabs for playing in D or if its in C and goes really high on melodeon. And I only need the tabs on concertina if its one where I have to go over the top of the concertina rather than keeping it on the RH.
But then I'm weird....

Combining (a) and (b) means you can read any tune in any key on any instrument that you can play by ear.
It'll be hard work to start with but worth the effort.

I've been trying to play by ear since I started....still can't just pick up tunes like that. Nearest I can get is memorising the tune from the dots...

edit: And before I get accuses of being negative. I'm being positive. Saying what I CAN do.

[Simon]

I don't have an ABC to hand - does any kind soul out there have one?

According to the Fiddler's companion the source is the Gibbons manuscript, which can be found at the Village music project.
http://www.village-music-project.org.uk/abc/gibbon.abc

[Alan Morley]

For those like me who don't read dots - here's the midi file...I didn't realise that it's a four-parter..

http://abcnotation.com/tunePage?a=music.gordfisch.net/oregans/assets/abc/waltzes/0030

Alan

[Anahata]

I've been trying to play by ear since I started....still can't just pick up tunes like that.

It took me years to get any good at that, and I'm still a slow learner if I have to do it by ear only.

Nearest I can get is memorising the tune from the dots...

If you can do that, you haven't a problem!

[Chris Ryall]

I think underlying  Anahata's kind advice may be that numbering buttons is analogous to that old 'painting by numbers' kid's product (which .. Jeez .. still exists!)  Very useful to get you going on a first project, but ensures that those who choose not to move on won't become 'artists'.  

I'd have put it differently, although this boils down to the same thing.  Either teach your fingers to reach for buttons relative to the present one - while training your ear what that does tune wise. That's the play by ear method. The magic of melodeonism is that should you miss by 1 button - it still works and you've 'played a variation'!

Or spend a few evenings learning the ABCD's of the notes of the buttons. Here melodeon design works against us as they differ push-puil. But it is the first step to actual music reading. A quick review of new tunes threads on this forum suggests that both approaches are in use, about  50% - 50% prevalence. Hope this helps.

[Alison Scott]

The absolute best combination is to learn:
(a) to read music to sing at sight. Nobody has to listen to your singing. In fact what you are really after here is to be able to read music and hear in your head how the tune goes, the same way that you can read text and know what it means without having to say it out loud.
(b) to play tunes by ear.

I'm getting much better at (b) though I still do a process where I learn a bit by ear, then go and study dots wherever I can, then learn a bit by ear; I'm much slower when there are no dots, or with parts of a tune where I'm learning from someone who has liberally amended it without writing it down.

but (a); no, not remotely, despite having been able to read music from when I was a small child and having a competent singing voice. If I'm asked to sight read a tune I'd reach first for a descant recorder; I can sight read on the box but it's harder because of the push-pullness of it. 

[Gary P Chapin]

Here's an ABC in C, for those of us who can use such a thing.

X:84
T:Cheshire Waltz. JGi.084
O:Tealby,Lincolnshire
M:3/8
L:1/16
Q:3/8=60
S:Joshua Gibbons MS,1823,Tealby,Lincs.
R:waltz
Z:VMP/R.Greig, 2009
K:C
G2|e2efed|c2cdcB|A2B2c2|G4e2|f2e2d2|a2g2B2|d2c2c2|c4:|
|:f2|egfedc|B2d2f2|egecGE|C2E2G2|F2A2e2|f2d2c2|B2dcBA|G4G2|
e2efed|c2cdcB|A2B2c2|G4e2|f2e2d2|a2g2B2|d2c2c2|c4:|
|:G2|E2G2c2|c2B2A2|B2d2g2|f4e2|f2e2f2|A2d2c2|B2c2A2|G4:|
|:F2|E2G2c2|c2B2A2|B2d2g2|f4e2|f2e2f2|A2d2c2|cBAGAB|c6||

[hatman]

As someone who is reasonably able to read dots and wants to develop that skill can anyone suggest some hints/ tips about how to count the rhythm.
Thanks

[forrest]

The magic of melodeonism is that should you miss by 1 button - it still works and you've 'played a variation'! 

Yessss!. 

[Gary P Chapin]

Yes.  There's only one "correct" button, but so many others seem plausible. 

[forrest]

Yes.  There's only one "correct" button, but so many others seem plausible. 

There's are reason some are called 'accidentals' 

[Thrupenny Bit]

" There's only one "correct" button, but so many others seem plausible.... "
"There's are reason some are called 'accidentals' ..."


  Blimey - never ever truer words said in jest!!!!
Q

[Alan Morley]

As someone who is reasonably able to read dots and wants to develop that skill can anyone suggest some hints/ tips about how to count the rhythm.
Thanks

1 2 3 / 1 2 3 / 1 2 3

I'm looking at TOTM and thinking 'can I use this tune' don't think so, so I might actually pass on this one..