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Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« on: March 09, 2011, 05:57:10 PM »

Hi,

I have an opportunity to buy this, and wonder if anybody knows the model??

The case is original to the instrument.

Thanks.
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 06:01:52 PM »

And some more pics:

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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2011, 06:06:59 PM »

More:

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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2011, 07:22:17 PM »

Hi,

I have an opportunity to buy this, and wonder if anybody knows the model??

It is described as:  Hohner Gold Medal St. Louise 1904 model, made in Germany.  The case is original to the instrument.

Thanks.

No - but it looks rather splendid.
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2011, 11:33:13 PM »

I have one in Bb/Eb, 8 bass but otherwise identical. The basses sound like a Fokker DR-1, very loud and very nice tone. Treble reeds sound very smooth and surprisingly bright. That one looks to be in pretty good shape.

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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2017, 01:45:52 AM »

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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2017, 09:39:13 AM »

Individual reed plates pinned onto leather gaskets are a sign of good build quality.
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2017, 06:58:33 PM »

Looks like one that I have in the keys of A and D. Of course A is 435 hertz rather than 440 hertz. The bellows on mine leaks a bit, but otherwise it is a pleasant box to play.
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2018, 06:00:33 AM »

I have an opportunity to buy this, and wonder if anybody knows the model??

It's described in my oldest Hohner list (1905, or very slightly later) as:

No. 495 - "Italian" style "HOHNER" ACCORDEON. Most Beautiful and perfect Accordeon ever made, the greatest care being given to their Manufacture. Top 11 x 5 1/2". 21 Keys, 12 Basses, 14 Strong folds Ebonized case with Polished Alderwood edge. "Very rich tone".

I've got the single row version of it, with spring-loaded catches and steel reeds, and the range of instruments then available is illustrated/described in the Hohner Accordeon Instructor, for Single, Double and Triple Row Instruments - Supplied free with all Hohner Accordeons that was in the original cardboard box along with it.
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2018, 08:48:24 PM »

Here are a couple similar age and design but not identical. These have flat, closed keyboards. Left one in CF, right in BE.

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2018, 09:38:58 PM »

I like those close fat keyboards rather than the cajun keyboards. I got one double row in D/D# but it's a Beaver. And also a couple single rows in D from Hohner GrandPrix St. Louis 1904 Brassy Reeds. Thanks all for the info.
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2018, 02:45:51 AM »

Looks like one that I have in the keys of A and D. Of course A is 435 hertz rather than 440 hertz.

I wouldn't rush to say "of course" when it comes to the pitch of these early models - my 10-key one was in beautiful original tuning when I got it, but half-a-semitone flat of concert pitch.

However, by the 1930s things seem to have got more standardised and Hohners are normally at A-435 or A-440, and often rubber-stamped with the pitch on the reedblocks (only an octave higher) as 870 or 880 respectively.
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2018, 02:56:29 AM »

Left one in CF, right in BE.

Left one is No. 466, right is No. 464.

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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2018, 05:20:36 AM »

Not that distant a cousin from my BbEb Hohner.  Mine has a "double" air button hole. Beautiful rich sound. I really like the open keyboard design & after re-facing the palettes & re-felting the buttons it has a very smooth, quiet action.

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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2018, 08:39:24 AM »

often rubber-stamped with the pitch on the reedblocks (only an octave higher) as 870 or 880 respectively.
870 or 880 mark the number of halfcycles per second. They are equal to 435/440 full cycles per second ("Doppelschwingungen") or 435/440 Hertz.
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2018, 01:06:02 PM »

Not that distant a cousin from my BbEb Hohner.  Mine has a "double" air button hole. Beautiful rich sound.

That's a No. 496, and the only lists I have that on are dated 1926 and 1929 respectively.

(In fact it's shown on the front cover of the 1926 How to Play a Hohner Accordion.)
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2018, 01:49:14 PM »

870 or 880 mark the number of halfcycles per second. They are equal to 435/440 full cycles per second ("Doppelschwingungen") or 435/440 Hertz.

"Doppelschwingungen"? It sounds like a peculiar concept for measuring pitch... ???

But while I've got your attention, I have a question for you that's relevant to this thread: My circa 1905 Hohner, and numerous other old (mainly 19th century) German instruments (both accordions and concertinas) that I have, seem to have been made in a pitch that's about half-a-semitone flat of A-440, but I've never managed to identify what it's called - do you have any idea? (It has certainly caused some confusion in Britain, where many instruments used to be tuned to "Old Philharmonic" pitch, half-a-semitone sharp!)
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2018, 02:29:34 PM »

Lot of old instruments were factory tuned A=435, some of very old in A=432 (old standards).
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2018, 03:20:44 PM »

Lot of old instruments were factory tuned A=435, some of very old in A=432 (old standards).

Yes, but A=435 is only -20, and 432 is -32 cents. I'm talking about more-like -50 cents, which would be around A=427.5...

It meant that a British A was more like a Bb on some imported German instruments, and (I think) may explain why quite a number of B/F# Anglo-German concertinas were built in England, to play with some German C/G ones.

I've also found some German wind instruments tuned as low, and had to get flute barrel joints significantly shortened to get them up to A=440. :o
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Re: Does anybody recognise this old Hohner please??
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2018, 03:39:59 PM »

Lot of old instruments were factory tuned A=435, some of very old in A=432 (old standards).

Yes, but A=435 is only -20, and 432 is -32 cents. I'm talking about more-like -50 cents, which would be around A=427.5...

It meant that a British A was more like a Bb on some imported German instruments, and (I think) may explain why quite a number of B/F# Anglo-German concertinas were built in England, to play with some German C/G ones.

I've also found some German wind instruments tuned as low, and had to get flute barrel joints significantly shortened to get them up to A=440. :o

Yes, agree that there were some extremely low-pitch instruments in the teens and twenties of the 20th century (I realize this is a later period than most of the B/F# anglos). I have a very original early steel-reeded Hohner (with portrait-decorated trim) that I remember as halfway between GC and G#/C# - much below A 435 (G#/C#). I think this has an unusual number stamp on the keyboard near the key letter stamp, and that may refer to this pitch standard.

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