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Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« on: April 01, 2011, 07:31:40 PM »

Were the "SKINT schottisches" on this YouTube clip ever given names:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VCTGD4d3zU&playnext=1&videos=t253EgxLsTU?
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2011, 09:33:29 PM »

I have no idea, but they are great tunes!  :D
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 09:19:36 AM »

Aren't they super ..    I can also recommend the event - which sounds to me to be the "fund raiser" they run for Scandifest.  Went there last month for a really good intro to Swedish music, and of course their associated dances  ;)

   .. though these particular tunes sound rather more French in style to me.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 10:03:16 AM »

So the melodeon is being played by an Austrian (he is in Hotel Palindrone), heading for a Scandinavian music festival in England and playing French-sounding schottisches.  (:)

I have only recently started getting into "European" folk dance music, and find "the schottische" quite intriguing. I have been using Scottische a Vermaux as my template (Central) French schottische rhythm, which seems to be characterised by a distinctive trippiness and flow, and therefore had thought the SKINT schottisches to be from a different category/region/country of schottische because of their distinctive syncopation. I have a feeling I might be wandering into a minefield here, but any illumination on this area of great music would be welcome.

I should say that I am content to accept that Scottish and English scottisches - such as Kafoozalum, Nae Luck About the House, etc - are a different category to European schottisches; I guess what I am looking for now is to understand differences in scottisches in other parts of Europe.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 12:34:03 PM »

I have only recently started getting into "European" folk dance music, and find "the schottische" quite intriguing.

As I understand it, the steps of the dance are essentially the same everywhere, requiring the tune ideally to have a structure of:
(1 bar phrase) L R L L
(1 bar phrase) R L R R
(2 bar phrase) L L R R L L R R

Any tune has that 1-1-2 structure and works at a sensible speed seems to work well as a Schottische.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 02:49:07 PM »

Ah, he's the Hotel Palindrome chap! They are very good, saw them at Sidmouth a few years ago.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2011, 04:26:32 PM »

To take Anahata's comment a tiny bit further - the schottiche 'hops' are generally just weight changes or grace steps and this reflects in its music

  (1 bar phrase) L R L l
  (1 bar phrase) R L R r
  (2 bar phrase) L l R r L l R r   

(lower case = same foot move) .. so a

  o  o  o gap    o  o  o gap
  o gap o gap o gap o gap
   
(gap=unstressed note or simplt continue prev note)  stucture 'informs the dancer's feet'.  Virmoux and Canal are very much in this style.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2011, 05:11:18 PM »

..... I have been using Scottische a Vermaux as my template (Central) French schottische rhythm, which seems to be characterised by a distinctive trippiness and flow, and therefore had thought the SKINT schottisches to be from a different category/region/country of schottische because of their distinctive syncopation. ...............

What countries/regions of countries have distinctive (and different) styles of schottische tune? Any good examples for me to use as "characteristic of such and such a region"?

What region of France might these SKINT schottisches be identified with?
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2011, 05:45:08 PM »

Were the "SKINT schottisches" on this YouTube clip ever given names:
In his sheet music Stephan Steiner just calls them "SKINT Scottishe No. 1" and "SKINT Scottishe No. 2", so I guess that's the name. If you really need to know you can find him on twitter and there's probably an email address as well.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2011, 05:45:40 PM »

What countries/regions of countries have distinctive (and different) styles of schottische tune? Any good examples for me to use as "characteristic of such and such a region"?


I think this style of Schottische is very similar in at least France and Scandinavia,  They are very popular dances by reason of being very simple to learn at a basic level and with all sorts of opportunities for variations and improvisations by the dancers.  You also have the opportunity to get quite close to your partner. ;)
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2011, 06:03:44 PM »

A similar discussion few months ago: http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,4876.0.html
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2011, 06:10:47 PM »

Were the "SKINT schottisches" on this YouTube clip ever given names:

I just know them as Cat's and Ella's - FWIW, I know Stoney, and both of the tune dedicatees.

Actually, I think Cat lurks on here... as another recent melodeon convert... 8)

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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 08:37:22 PM »

A similar discussion few months ago: http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,4876.0.html

Ah yes, that is very relevant stuff, thank you.

Ed - Thanks for the names.

And thanks to all other contributions.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 09:53:43 PM »

Damn these tunes!! ..what an earworm they are!.... tormented me all day!....i love them! .... got the first one! .... nearly got the second! ..... arrrrrrgh!
transposed them into D on an AD box they sound a bit less mellow but still lovely!! ... maybe i'll video them later this week sometime!
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 10:11:35 PM »

I've been listening to them as well but haven't tried them yet. I think I've got about 80% of the first one and 70% of the second in my head... tomorrow I'll try to get them down on a box.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2011, 12:38:28 AM »

Not to add much, but no names yet. Dedicated, as EdJ wrote, wonderfully kindly, to me and Ella :-)

Check out Starymonetti - www.myspace.com/starymonetti for a fairly rough recording of Stoney (fiddle) and Marinette Bonnert (diatonic accordion) playing these and other tunes...

Skint is not actually the festival that helps fund Scandimoot, although takes place at the same venue. It's a smallish (60-80 people) gathering of musicians and dancers, where broadly European music is played. Last year we had musicians and dancers from Sweden, Norway, Denmark, France, Portugal, as well as more locally-based participants! The workshops depend on who signs up to come along, so each year is a bit different!
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2011, 08:50:52 AM »

Here's some other tunes he wrote. Great composer!
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2011, 11:18:51 AM »

Please forgive the ignorance, but what does "SKINT" mean?
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2011, 03:13:49 PM »

Ah, it's two-fold. One, a contraction of "Skandi" [sic] and "International"
And two, it's a very cheap festival, with participants just contributing to cover costs (hall hire and meals) as no-one is paid to play or teach.
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Re: Names for "SKINT schottisches"?
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2011, 04:49:20 PM »

Technically it's a Portmanteau :D
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