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[Anahata]

IMHO, the tume is in A dorian.

Then most or all of those D and C chords would change to A minor. I'm trying to imagine if that would sound convincing.

[dahlberg]

Hmm intresting.
When you talking about 8 bars,i guess the reprise is 8bar?

[Bob Ellis]

Your transcription, Bob, is a piece of art, I love your fingering notation system (adapted from Dave Mallinson's book, if I am not mistaken). By underlining you mark push-pull sequences, great idea. Do you have a number of sheet music like that? How do you make this?

Yes, my fingering notation was developed from Dave Mallinson's, but I have added a number of things that I found useful, including underlining of notes played on the pull. I also use various types of arrows to indicate stretches, switches, slides, skips and step-overs, although none of these appears in the notation for Ganivelle because it is all played in the home position.

Over the years, I have written out several hundred tunes using this notation system. I use Personal Composer 8 Stave to write out the tunes and play them back because at £49 it is much more affordable than Sibelius and has everything I need. If you are interested, the website for Personal Composer is here: www.personalcomposer.co.uk
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[nemethmik]

IMHO, the tume is in A dorian.

Then most or all of those D and C chords would change to A minor. I'm trying to imagine if that would sound convincing.

Yes, I am nearly sure that Ganivelle is a typical A dorian pipe tune. Dorian is the third most important pipe-tune mode. remember that A dorian is very popular on G/C accordions.

[Owen Woods]

I think I know Ganivelle from somewhere, possibly Sidmouth Big Band? It sound very similar to something though and I can't work out what it is... similar beginning. It's indistinct enough in my mind that it could be a morris tune, one of my Grandpa's ceilidh tunes, a session tune or a tune that I used to play on the piano when I was 10.

As far as I'm concerned it's in G and can't be in anything else.

[Anahata]

I think I know Ganivelle from somewhere, possibly Sidmouth Big Band?

Yes. Quite possibly 

[Owen Woods]

I've only got the tunebooks from 08 and 09 here, it wasn't in either of those, but it could be in one of the many others that we have sculling around back home.

[Clive Williams]

I think I know Ganivelle from somewhere, possibly Sidmouth Big Band? It sound very similar to something though and I can't work out what it is... similar beginning.

Ganivelle is distressingly close to Galopede I think. I get confused *very* easily.

[Bob Ellis]

Ukebert: You have probably heard Ganivelle at various places in Sidmouth. It is often played in both the Sailing Club and the Radway and I am sure it has appeared in Nick and Mary Barber's Big Band repertoire on at least one occasion.

Clive: I play both Ganivelle and Galopede and have never noticed much similarity between them, but each of us hears tune patterns differently, so that is probably not surprising.

[nemethmik]

Ganivelle
As far as I'm concerned it's in G and can't be in anything else.

which is completely true since A dorian is a mode of G major, and a French piper would play the tune against a G drone.

[Ollie]

Exactly. It's a tune in G that doesn't use F#s. Lack of F#s doesn't mean it's not in G, but presence of Fnats would.

[Owen Woods]

Ganivelle
As far as I'm concerned it's in G and can't be in anything else.

which is completely true since A dorian is a mode of G major, and a French piper would play the tune against a G drone.

OK I'm confused. If a piper would use a G drone against this tune then how could it be said to be in A dorian It has the same key signature as A dorian, yes, but tonally it is in G ionian and so for me that is that.

Ganivelle is distressingly close to Galopede I think. I get confused *very* easily.

That's the one, thank you! Now, how do I know Galopede?

[nemethmik]

but tonally it is in G ionian and so for me that is that.

I am talking about the very tune transcribed and posted by Bob Ellis
http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6837.0;attach=5678;image

[Owen Woods]

I am talking about the very tune transcribed and posted by Bob Ellis
http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6837.0;attach=5678;image

I know, so am I. You said it was A dorian. It isn't.

[Chris Ryall]

Just to reinforce the point of theory    The pedal note is virtually always the note that defines the 'mode' one hears a scale in. Anyone who feels this untrue shoul take their favourite tune and play it on a D/G while droning the C bass (or chord). Bit different, eh?  

Now try it using the two D basses (second finger and a bt of guile needed)! Bit different, eh?  Or any other note from the G scale (eg hold E bass, OK its B pull but that's in the Em chord). Bit different, eh?

FWIW I read Bob's dot and it looks G to me. The reason for its 'floating is that we aren't harmonising with a dominant chord. It gently comes to a repeat on an A - I hear a sus9 chord.  There are strong aspects of 'plagal' (Church aka 'Amen') harmony here. But sus chords are also very sexy, and indeed quite 'modern' in folk music.  Listen to the later Nic Jones - eg Pot Stove or Shotover River.  Chav's are just part of the same movement, and plagal sort of comes for free with a bagpipe (they use monsterous Bourbonnais D's - the original "wall of sound" antedating Spector be about 100 years)!  Chris

[nemethmik]

Your transcription, Bob, is a piece of art

I use Personal Composer 8 Stave

I've just downloaded Personal Composer and I can say it looks very promising. I can easily import ABC tunes (via MIDI) which is very important. Thank You, Bob!