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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #200 on: May 23, 2016, 06:15:03 PM »

Link to a glochenspeil CBA implementation, spotted in Granoble
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #201 on: August 03, 2016, 09:36:14 AM »

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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #202 on: August 03, 2016, 06:36:42 PM »

Didn't read all the replies.
Was this a Doors reference? 8)
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #203 on: August 04, 2016, 12:53:55 PM »

No idea Stave. Click the link and read it. This thread is essentially being used as an index to new ideas. If people choose to post those elsewhere I thing the discussion should also take place there.
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #204 on: August 04, 2016, 01:15:14 PM »

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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #205 on: January 26, 2017, 12:29:57 PM »

I met Mike Nelson and Karen Tweed in a session last night. I know Mike as a Northumbrian pipe maker amongst other things, but he has all sorts of engineering skills I didn't know so much about. He and Karen are collaborating on improving the design of a piano accordion and he's documenting it all on his web site.

Despite being PA focused, much of it is relevant to melodeons too: reducing weight (of casing, bellows and reed blocks), making the action faster etc. Worth a look.
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #206 on: January 26, 2017, 06:15:28 PM »

.. all sorts of engineering skills...
Including writing a half-decent spec before he starts  (:) :||:
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #207 on: January 26, 2017, 07:35:17 PM »

.. all sorts of engineering skills...
Including writing a half-decent spec before he starts  (:) :||:
  his attempts to design lighter weight bass reedblocks as led him to a trianglular shape.  someone should mention the fact that the reed tips swing,and require some clearance within the reedblock.   a new mind can come up with many ideas ,which is great.there then as to be a process of testing ( mentally or physically) to weed out the real gems.
  reducing the weight makes sense ,and there are new materials to try.  we should remember that a lot of "classic"melodeons are made from materials chosen for low cost and ease of manufacture.
  making a one-off prototype with alternative composite type construction is one engineering challenge, but doing a production run at a competitive price,is another.
    I hope we shall see some positive results ,that will stimulate further thoughts on this topic.
       brian..
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #208 on: January 26, 2017, 10:13:12 PM »

That was the whole idea of this thread.   Materials science has made exceptional strides since the melodeon was invented.   More ideas please :|glug
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #209 on: January 26, 2017, 10:51:38 PM »

  his attempts to design lighter weight bass reedblocks as led him to a triangular shape.  someone should mention the fact that the reed tips swing,and require some clearance within the reedblock.

Is there some good reason why you can't mount the reeds with the tips towards the fat edge of the block?
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #210 on: January 26, 2017, 10:56:55 PM »

Keep up the good work … chaps  (:)
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #211 on: January 26, 2017, 11:21:03 PM »

Is there some good reason why you can't mount the reeds with the tips towards the fat edge of the block?
I was thinking that there would be, as often the valveless smaller reeds are inverted on the last two reeds on the block, I'm assuming that the others aren't for a good reason. Or is it just so the big reeds don't bash into those on the next block, as they are often closely mounted? I've had to have one of my treble blocks shaved at a better angle so that the blocks can tilt away from each other more for this reason.
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #212 on: January 26, 2017, 11:35:16 PM »

Is there some good reason why you can't mount the reeds with the tips towards the fat edge of the block?
I was thinking that there would be, as often the valveless smaller reeds are inverted on the last two reeds on the block, I'm assuming that the others aren't for a good reason. Or is it just so the big reeds don't bash into those on the next block, as they are often closely mounted? I've had to have one of my treble blocks shaved at a better angle so that the blocks can tilt away from each other more for this reason.

That's one reason, tip clearance.  The blocks are closest at the bottom.   The second is access for tuning.   When the reed tips are upwards there is good access to the reeds for tuning.  Not so when the reeds point downwards.
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #213 on: June 29, 2017, 11:52:48 AM »

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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #214 on: September 06, 2017, 08:11:28 PM »

New ideas with respect to the air hole

http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php/topic,20966.0.html
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2018, 12:44:44 AM »

last summer I retro fitted an East German C#/D with an arduino board so that I can use OSC to control Pure Data. It worked pretty good as a replacement for the redundant and rather weedy bass mech. I also considered using some kind of gyroscope mechanism to give another control option. I haven't quite figured that one yet. Whilst googling new breed midi/OSC controllers (Tangible Auditory Interfaces) I came across this interesting project:

http://3dmin.github.io/

I was particularly taken with the legstraps - something that I can see useful as method for enabling single handed interaction.
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #216 on: March 24, 2018, 11:46:12 AM »

It’s squeezeboxes, Jim, but not as we know them.😳
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2018, 12:39:24 PM »

It’s squeezeboxes, Jim, but not as we know them.😳

I presume that all this will help in playing in zero gravity. In space no one can hear you squeeze...

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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #218 on: March 24, 2018, 02:54:03 PM »

Thanks for all the humour chaps  ;D

I've been trying to keep this thread as a clean repository of melnet constuction ideas so … enough said  ;)
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Re: The 21st Century Box
« Reply #219 on: June 07, 2018, 07:12:28 AM »

Link to 2018 discussion on plywood versus solid construction. Carbon fibre also discussed.
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