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New non corroding morel reeds
« on: January 12, 2012, 10:08:31 PM »

Throw away your bamboo reeds that either split or corrode, and have a look at this accordion with the new stainless morel reeds that NEVER split or corrode.  Man, Binci is in trouble.  And even being a Cajun history buff, we've apparently been around a lot longer than I thought.  Good for a chuckle.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BLACK-C-key-AUTHENTIC-CAJUN-ACCORDION-/200687538454?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb9e8d116

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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 10:12:33 PM »

That is a corker!  It is really great to know that accordions have been around for thousands of years!

I think there should be some awards for the worst ebay listings, the auction equivalent of the Ig Nobel
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 11:11:41 AM »

Hilarious, possibly the funniest so far  :D
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 01:57:06 PM »

Next time I have one for sale I'll make a point of it being asbestos-free
(and non-carcinogenic, perhaps, or lead-free, or non-fattening)

It actually looks quite a nice box. Does anyone know what it is? (no maker's name or logo that I can see)
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 01:59:15 PM »

Next time I have one for sale I'll make a point of it being asbestos-free
(and non-carcinogenic, perhaps, or lead-free, or non-fattening)

You could quite legitimately describe it as organic..........
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 02:11:52 PM »

I think being able to play it in the bath would be a strong selling point.
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 02:25:35 PM »

Another trader from Ebay.co.ck
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 02:35:26 PM »

Does anyone know what it is? (no maker's name or logo that I can see)


It looks like a Galotta/Luciano made in Klingenthal jobby.
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 03:43:42 PM »

He didn't mention if the thousand year old tree bark bellows have been replaced with something that will never flake off, like, say, high quality reinforced cardboard.  Amazingly, it also comes with "new" straps, in contrast to the old ones usually put on new thousand year old accordions.
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 04:36:29 PM »

Although it says "new", I'm sure they are made to the original Inca specifications.
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 07:11:01 PM »

I emailed him and tried to correct his error.  He informed me that he had seen many accordions with bamboo reeds and respectfully disagreed with me. 
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 09:38:24 PM »

He informed me that he had seen many accordions with bamboo reeds . . .

There's a good lesson here for all of us.  Never ever open an accordion after dropping acid.

Back in the 60's, we all knew better, but these kids today . . .   ;D
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 03:08:45 PM »

Perhaps interesting to note that Monel (not morel) is a trade name for a mostly nickel/copper range of alloys.  I recall using it for brake lines on Minis as they formed flares nicely, didn't work harden like steel and they don't rust.

In accordion terms, such alloys were used in the early twentieth century before suitable steel alloys were found which outperformed the "bronze" reeds.  I would expect a softer tone from such an alloy, although I don't have comparitive characteristics to hand to justify my assumptions.  It doesn't seem quite in line with the niormal expectations for a Cajun box, though.  I wonder what spring grade stainless steel would sound like....?

Rob.

Yet another aside - bronze is a much abused term for any pedants wondering why I used it.  I'm told that the early accodtion reeds were not a true bronze, more a modified brass.  They go out of tune rather too often within the lifetime of a box and can embrittle, therefore requiring replacement as they will break just like a steel reeds.  A lot of false bronzes are offered for use in the sailing arena too, where their failings are more serious, especially if, like me, you can't swim!
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 08:15:15 PM »

I emailed him and tried to correct his error.  He informed me that he had seen many accordions with bamboo reeds and respectfully disagreed with me. 

What a gentleman! A dying breed.  :D

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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2012, 09:42:56 PM »

Do you tune bamboo reeds with a file or rasp?

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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2012, 10:16:47 PM »

Before you all get too carried away with your derision, some early examples of the The Chinese sheng  (without doubt the first free reed instrument made) did have bamboo reeds. If you're talking 1000 years ago, metal reeds might have well been the new radical alternative, though they wouldn't be stainless steel unless that's yet another thing the Chinese invented first and forgot to tell us...

History doesn't seem to relate how bamboo reeds were tuned but I guess a fine file would do the job...
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2012, 10:26:20 PM »

There must be a morel monel moral to this story.
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2012, 03:39:45 PM »

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History doesn't seem to relate how bamboo reeds were tuned but I guess a fine file would do the job...

I believe bamboo (cane) is often used for the reeds of bagpipes (I know it is in Northumbrian pipes) and I think tuning for those is a fine art involving a lot of filing and/or scraping!
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2012, 07:15:35 PM »

Reeds in bagpipes, though, are not free reeds - free reeds have their own resonance which defines a particular note that they sound, while the reeds in bagpipes, oboes, clarinets, bassoons, Saxophones etc. have no particular resonant frequency and will work over a wide range of notes, relying on the attached tubing to define the frequency.

In the sheng there is also a tuned pipe associated with each reed; I suspect that the bamboo reed is not a very good resonator and needs the pipe to constrain its pitch, which would otherwise wander fairly uncontrollably around its nominal note. The resonator gives it lots of tone too, of course.
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Re: New non corroding morel reeds
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2012, 07:46:18 PM »

Reeds in bagpipes, though, are not free reeds - free reeds have their own resonance which defines a particular note that they sound, while the reeds in bagpipes, oboes, clarinets, bassoons, Saxophones etc. have no particular resonant frequency and will work over a wide range of notes, relying on the attached tubing to define the frequency.

You are right, but there nevertheless sometimes seems to be an optimum natural pitch for the reed so that it interacts best with the variable length resonator tube in which it is mounted.

Colin Ross, the highly experienced Northumbrian pipes maker has perfected a method of optimising the tuning of the chanter reed (a cane double reed a bit like a bassoon reed). For a traditional pitch (F-ish sharp) chanter, he tests the reed by sucking through the brass staple tube so that the reed sounds. He has determined empirically, over the many years he has been making pipes and reeds, that the chanter reed should sound the note C# which (he maintains) then is balanced over the rest of the range of the chanter. It is not critical that the C# should be exactly spot on -  10-20 cents one way or t' other doesn't seem to make too much difference.
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