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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2012, 03:19:28 PM »

"The Italian Schottische", found the abc online commented "from the playing of Tony Dunn".
http://youtu.be/SfSjjtYoi08
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V nice playing again, tune seems to be a close relative of Lucy Farr's Barndance

I know it as Penny on the Water.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2012, 03:41:12 PM »

Hey, I don't ask this in any contentious way at all, but is there a consensus on the relationship between the Schottische (sp?) family of tunes, and the French scottish?  To me they just don't feel like the same thing.  I know both are medium tempo, 4/4 things, but schottische's feel much lopier than the French scottishes.

What's the thinking about this?
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2012, 04:21:07 PM »

Buttered peas?  (:)  Try and get a copy of this : http://folktrax-archive.org/menus/cassprogs/211.htm


Thanks very much for the link, Pikey. That looks like a good starting point - and I found two other Folktrax recordings on that site that include recordings from Wensleydale and Swaledale. The bad news is that none of the Folktrax recordings are still available and searching the internet for them brought up no results at all. Still, it's a start, and I am very grateful for that.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2012, 04:29:32 PM »

I know it as Penny on the Water.
Me too - also The Tin Gee Gee.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2012, 04:35:30 PM »

I know it as Penny on the Water.
Me too - also The Tin Gee Gee.

BTW the Penny On The Water name comes from the children's counting rhyme:

One two three four five six seven,
All good children go to heaven.
Penny on the water, twopence on the sea,
Threepence on the railway, and out goes she.


Which also gives rise to the other alt. title The Seven Step Polka.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2012, 07:47:32 PM »

I've converted Bob Pegg's cyclostyled tune as near as I can, taking into account my limited ABC expertise and the fact that he gave up half way through writing the tune out for "Abe's Folk Music" - nor do I blame him. I have therefore also produced an edited version bringing what I have on front of me to standard 2A/2B presentation. Any gross errors are obviously mine.
Frank Weatheril, by the way, was actually from Danby in Eskdale.

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2012, 09:33:06 PM »

Thanks very much for the transcription, Chris. Since Pikey brought him to my attention, I have done some further research about Frank Weatherill and discovered that he was a stone mason from Danby-in-Cleveland, which is on the North Yorkshire Moors rather than in the Yorkshire Dales. Your post indicates that you know this.

Unfortunately, the tune will not fit into my project to find and learn tunes from Wensleydale and Swaledale. However, it's a good tune, so it will go on my list of tunes to learn.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2012, 10:03:46 PM »

The Tin Gee Gee is a different tune:  http://www.folktunefinder.com/tune/53988/

I'm really pleased you mentioned it, though, because I had heard it at a session and played along with it, and it seemed vaguely familiar to me. Now I see (from googling) that it was a music-hall song (also known by the much less memorable title of  The Lowther Arcade) and I remember now that I once heard my father sing it, saying he'd learned it from his mother. So that's where I'd heard it before.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2012, 10:08:15 PM »

The Tin Gee Gee is a different tune:  http://www.folktunefinder.com/tune/53988/

Hmm. It seems I am mistaken. I have had The Tin Gee Gee as an alt title for that tune for years. I wonder where I got that from?
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2012, 09:33:16 AM »

Buttered peas?  (:)  Try and get a copy of this : http://folktrax-archive.org/menus/cassprogs/211.htm


Thanks very much for the link, Pikey. That looks like a good starting point - and I found two other Folktrax recordings on that site that include recordings from Wensleydale and Swaledale. The bad news is that none of the Folktrax recordings are still available and searching the internet for them brought up no results at all. Still, it's a start, and I am very grateful for that.

Hi Bob - It's worh getting Leta Douglas's book on dances from the Dales:  http://www.cuckoosnestantiques.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=145

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2012, 01:41:12 PM »

Thanks for the suggestion, Pikey. I found a reference to this book yesterday and bought a copy on-line through abebooks.
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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2012, 10:01:45 PM »

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2012, 11:44:02 PM »


The last one is the Winter's Night Schottische, with some wrong notes and the third part missing...

(sequence is ABAC)

Ian

P.S. I know it from Pyewackett, who got it from 'Kerr's Merrie Melodies For The Violin'. Here's another version:

http://www.the-attic-tapes.co.uk/mixes

Ian - notes are never wrong, just different.....  ;D

OK, I'll rephrase that -- played with many of the notes that make the original tune so distinctive missed out or "melodeonised"... ;-)

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2012, 11:45:40 AM »


The last one is the Winter's Night Schottische, with some wrong notes and the third part missing...

(sequence is ABAC)

Ian

P.S. I know it from Pyewackett, who got it from 'Kerr's Merrie Melodies For The Violin'. Here's another version:

http://www.the-attic-tapes.co.uk/mixes

Ian - notes are never wrong, just different.....  ;D

OK, I'll rephrase that -- played with many of the notes that make the original tune so distinctive missed out or "melodeonised"... ;-)

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2012, 12:19:18 PM »

Hey, I don't ask this in any contentious way at all, but is there a consensus on the relationship between the Schottische (sp?) family of tunes, and the French scottish?  To me they just don't feel like the same thing.  I know both are medium tempo, 4/4 things, but schottische's feel much lopier than the French scottishes.

What's the thinking about this?

I can't answer your question but I was going to ask a related question: what is the definition of a schottische rythmn i.e. if you hear it you immediately go 'ah ha - a schottishe', as opposed to, say, a polka. Wiki has some stuff on it:
The Scottish version of a schottische 'has two main forms in 2/4 beat, one being more popular than the other. Both versions are similar in starting line-up to the Gay Gordons and has a polka feel to it.'
I read the dots; unless a tune has 'schottische' written on it somewhere, how do I tell that it is of that genre?

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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2012, 12:28:45 PM »

OK in my previous post I was asking what is a Schottische?
Not wanting to waste anyone's time I just found a discussion on session.org here, where goes some way to explore what is obviously quite a big subject:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/16939

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2012, 07:55:00 PM »

"The Italian Schottische", found the abc online commented "from the playing of Tony Dunn".
http://youtu.be/SfSjjtYoi08
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Re: What is a Schottisches
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2012, 08:11:27 PM »

OK in my previous post I was asking what is a Schottische?
Not wanting to waste anyone's time I just found a discussion on session.org here, where goes some way to explore what is obviously quite a big subject:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/16939

The Session? You didn't have to go that far  (:)
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Re: What is a Schottisches
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2012, 11:28:35 PM »

The Session? You didn't have to go that far  (:)

It felt a bit traitorous, have to admit...

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Re: Theme of the Month for February 2012: Schottisches
« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2012, 09:32:35 AM »

Here's my contribution this month:

MARIGOLDS SCHOTTISCHE

http://youtu.be/FduniJt_XEo  

http://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/4216c5baeee0c796016d930fb5619c5e31a2e941

It started as a version of my Marigolds waltz, but greatly influenced by a  swung schottische on the Red Dog Green Dog CD.   Played with bandoneon voicing  (ML) and without the low basses. Still trying to find a good name.   Do tell me if it resembles a tune you already know.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2012, 07:32:02 PM by Jackhumphreys »
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