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[george garside]

 on a 2 row DG I play the Cpart in CC  using  C bass & chord for the first 2 bars, the DG bass & chord for bars 3 and 4, back to Cbass for bars 5 & 6 and DG bass for 7&8

george

[george garside]

on my Lilly and pkerwork I have  put a  made a linkage to bring a duplicate F nat  between the inside row and the grill and between the D & F# buttons.  This greatly facilitates playing the C part of the Bluebell Polka.   The method of arranaging the link is different on both boxes and is dead easy to do on the pokerwork/erica and presumably many other boxes with a flat closed keyboard.

If anybody is interested as to how its done i can try to post some photos  on here

george

[Strigulino]

Thanks all - many options to try there.

My Liliput is actually a declubbed C/F - I think the pesky F natural is therefore an Eb, and I have those on push and pull on the half row, so should be fine.  It's going to be a finger-twister, but should be possible.  I tried to play the C part by ear last night and failed miserably so I think I have to actually sit down and work out which buttons to press. 

[Anahata]

work out which buttons to press.

That's always a good start 

[george garside]

Thanks all - many options to try there.

My Liliput is actually a declubbed C/F - I think the pesky F natural is therefore an Eb, and I have those on push and pull on the half row, so should be fine.  It's going to be a finger-twister, but should be possible.  I tried to play the C part by ear last night and failed miserably so I think I have to actually sit down and work out which buttons to press.

[george garside]

meant to say this in the above post but for some reason it vanished into thin air! 

 The C p art of the Bluebell Polka is just played entirely on the C row of a CF box!

I think Owens BC and half C# Lillyput conversion is probably much easier to manage in a veriety of keys     as it follows a logical pattern  working out from the C row - but then you wouldnt expect me to say otherwise!

george

[Strigulino]

You misunderstand me I think - to play the entire thing on a C/F 2.5 row box, I believe I have to transpose the entire thing into F/C/B.  So the C part would be in B major.  I'm going to have to do it that way to get the chords to work, I think.

[KLR]

You mean Bb.  The key of the third part of this tune is a fourth above the key of the first part, i.e., Bb.  Modulating into B would get you burnt at the stake in Renaissance Christendom, among other problems.     What you have available on your basses is beside the point.

The structure ABABC was quite common in genteel late 19th century dance compositions, whose forms trickled down to folk musicians - polkas, schottisches, waltzes, etc.   Reg Hall did a bangup job writing about this phenomenon in the world of Irish music for the liner notes to the CD Round the House and Mind the Dresser.

Think I'll learn the B part of Flop Eared Mule for a D part for this tune, which is ancestral to it, or vice versa?  The Bluebell was first printed in the 1880s.  I learned it from an old recording of an Irish fiddler, James Morrison, who dispensed with the third part for some reason - maybe it hadn't been composed yet?

[Strigulino]

Bb, you are quite right.  :)

[Chris Ryall]

You mean Bb.  The key of the third part of this tune is a fourth above the key of the first part, i.e., Bb.  Modulating into B would get you burnt at the stake in Renaissance Christendom, among other problems.     What you have available on your basses is beside the point.

I digress a bit, but the notes of B♭ and D♭  (relative to a C tonic) were banned by the Russian Establishment in the 1920's as bourgeois, and reactionary. The Soviet had interdicted any 'religious' musical reference (reverence?) a few years previously, and now turned against the influence of the American negros whom they perceived as essentially capitalist lick-spittles. I can't find reference to this on the Web, but BBC's programme (approx 2009) on Stravinsky had establishment musical teachers going through student's work systematically deleting or replacing any note considered 'blue' 

I'm not sure what the role of 'colour' was in this, be that black/white or blue/red   They certainly had no shortage of basses! 

[KLR]

You mean Bb.  The key of the third part of this tune is a fourth above the key of the first part, i.e., Bb.  Modulating into B would get you burnt at the stake in Renaissance Christendom, among other problems.     What you have available on your basses is beside the point.

I digress a bit, but the notes of B♭ and D♭  (relative to a C tonic) were banned by the Russian Establishment in the 1920's as bourgeois, and reactionary. The Soviet had interdicted any 'religious' musical reference (reverence?) a few years previously, and now turned against the influence of the American negros whom they perceived as essentially capitalist lick-spittles. I can't find reference to this on the Web, but BBC's programme (approx 2009) on Stravinsky had establishment musical teachers going through student's work systematically deleting or replacing any note considered 'blue' 

I'm not sure what the role of 'colour' was in this, be that black/white or blue/red   They certainly had no shortage of basses! 

In Soviet Russia painting colors you!

Have to run and can't find the link for you but came across a very amusing roundup of assorted famous composers' stripes of synesthesia.  They all wholly cancelled each other out, of course. 

[pikey]

on my Lilly and pkerwork I have  put a  made a linkage to bring a duplicate F nat  between the inside row and the grill and between the D & F# buttons.  This greatly facilitates playing the C part of the Bluebell Polka.   The method of arranaging the link is different on both boxes and is dead easy to do on the pokerwork/erica and presumably many other boxes with a flat closed keyboard.

If anybody is interested as to how its done i can try to post some photos  on here

george

yes please George, photos of the linkage would be great!

[george garside]

Will  take some photos and put them on instrument repairs etc so as not to occur the wrath of 'im in Gateshead!

george

[pikey]

Will  take some photos and put them on instrument repairs etc so as not to occur the wrath of 'im in Gateshead!

george

Ta !