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Discussions => Instrument Design, Construction and Repair => Topic started by: Rog on October 09, 2019, 09:14:04 AM
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As in a previous thread, the Slovenian maker (Igor) no longer takes orders for (reasonably priced) bellows. I notice that Harmonikas do them...see here..
https://www.harmonikas.cz/en/bellows-manufacture#obsah
Has anyone tried these and if so did you get a bead on the price range?
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I did not buy one but I did ask for detail and prices from Harmonicas and they are reasonably priced,depending on the added extras price changes, starts from 130 euro + VAT and postage of course, no minimum buy however price range they have 1-3 , 4-9 , and 10+...if you order 4 + at the same time price gets VERY reasonable..it might be a good idea for UK buyers to join forces together and order 4 or more at the same time ;) i could use 2 new bellow my self for instance 8)
judging by their reeds and costumer services I expect no less quality than any other makers on the meerkat ;D
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It's tempting to get some Liliput bellows :D then give the old ones to Helena Handcart
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It's tempting to get some Liliput bellows :D then give the old ones to Helena Handcart
go for it Roger,get 4 of the same size and price goes down to 102 8) I'm sure Helena would chip in for postage cost ;D ...did I mention I am very good at refinishing old bellows ? a new house fund already for Helena's old and rude bellow.. me me me :M
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"I am very good at refinishing old bellows"
Mmmmm!! Might you be open to doing it for other members, for money?
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"Mmmmm!! Might you be open to doing it for other members, for money?"
Looks like you've just been propositioned Invadm ;)
SJ >:E
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I've still got my trusty "John Bull" puncture repair outfit, from my cycling days. My question was meant for the benefit of others, Sir John.
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"I am very good at refinishing old bellows"
Mmmmm!! Might you be open to doing it for other members, for money?
I would If I could, but I can't stop buying more to do for my own collection -as everyone here ;D - will see how it goes with Brexit, if can't buy more and we all slow down ..who knows :||:
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... will see how it goes with Brexit, if can't buy more and we all slow down ..who knows :||:
"she who must be obeyed" would not be unhappy with a slowdown ... ;D
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As in a previous thread, the Slovenian maker (Igor) no longer takes orders for (reasonably priced) bellows. I notice that Harmonikas do them...see here..
https://www.harmonikas.cz/en/bellows-manufacture#obsah
Has anyone tried these and if so did you get a bead on the price range?
Interestingly, I think I stumbled across an Igor "offer" on the USA ebay within the last few week - but I don't think they were particularly "reasonably priced"!
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Well I have ordered (I.e. filled out the form) for some Liliput bellows on the Harmonikas web site, but so far I haven’t been informed of the price, so it’s a bit...er....flaky.
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"Interestingly, I think I stumbled across an Igor "offer" on the USA ebay within the last few week - but I don't think they were particularly "reasonably priced"!"
Perhaps the poor blighter just got sick of living in relative poverty, and wanted to join the ranks of the well-heeled?
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This was covered in another thread. Igor used to be v reasonable, but now charges €250, which is not dissimilar to the Italian bellows, which are probably better quality (though you might have to wait for 6 weeks). I'll keep you posted on Harmonikas bellows. It’s a bit irritating that when you order you don’t actually get a price. (:)
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I’m interested in your success, keep us posted.
I went there to fill in the order form ( its really a quote, isn’t it?) and I wonder why the D dimension is there or is needed. Wouldn’t the number of folds and the materials and its thickness being used to build them determine the D side dimension when bellows are closed? What am I not seeing,is it when its opened?
I know what size is required to the mm ( closed bellows ) but I would think above mentioned would control that size.
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Yes I wondered about that dimension. It’s going to be more on new bellows than on old worn bellows. Also, the smallest fold depth (20mm) is about right for a Liliput, but this is less than the minimum you can get if you order via Carini and also when one ordered from Igor.
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Here is bellows price list from Harmonikas. I should be getting my Liliput bellows by the eof October.
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Here is bellows price list from Harmonikas. I should be getting my Liliput bellows by the eof October.
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Try it now...
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it has gone up a bit, list I had was from 2018 (:) but still looking good
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Does anyone know what is meant by the "Member of pieces" question on the Harmonikas bellows order form. It requires the input of a number - so I am guessing it is asking how many completed bellows are being ordered?
Tiposx
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That would be my guess too. Could be used for bellows with intermediate frames too (say 2 pieces with 6 folds each like in older 1-rows), but it's the same idea. If in doubt, there is a box for comments.
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I thought amount of units being order also.
I order one bellow and got a response by email confirming but have not received any other information.
Roger, Did you get a bill or something with cost and supply date?
It was a week or so when I ordered, Maybe I need to wait longer.
I would think that they would require a deposit of some kind?
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they usually send you a invoice in full and after payment order gets processed..if you didn't pay in full I sagest you email them again.
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There wasn’t a place to pay when I placed the order, so I haven’t paid anything yet.
And I have not received anything beyond the confirmation email which just states that they received my order. No amount or other info in it.
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I ordered a set for my Pokerwork last week using the online order form. I received an email of acknowledgement the next day, and then the bill a couple of days later, which I paid using IBAN.
It might be worth checking your spam folder? - The Harmonikas email address is a bit unusual in that it includes a red exclamation mark.
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I thought amount of units being order also.
I order one bellow and got a response by email confirming but have not received any other information.
Roger, Did you get a bill or something with cost and supply date?
It was a week or so when I ordered, Maybe I need to wait longer.
I would think that they would require a deposit of some kind?
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Yes I got a bill a while afterwards. I think I posted their price list on here. I got my Liliput bellows last week. They look pretty good to me, but stuff coz they are new.
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I ordered a set for my Pokerwork last week using the online order form. I received an email of acknowledgement the next day, and then the bill a couple of days later, which I paid using IBAN.
It might be worth checking your spam folder? - The Harmonikas email address is a bit unusual in that it incluses a red exclamation mark.
It’s good to know your time frame, thanks ! I don’t think I’ve missed any emails?, nothing in the junk folder.
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I thought amount of units being order also.
I order one bellow and got a response by email confirming but have not received any other information.
Roger, Did you get a bill or something with cost and supply date?
It was a week or so when I ordered, Maybe I need to wait longer.
I would think that they would require a deposit of some kind?
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Yes I got a bill a while afterwards. I think I posted their price list on here. I got my Liliput bellows last week. They look pretty good to me, but stuff coz they are new.
nice, quick turn around.
I did see your list but wasn’t sure how they invoiced. thanks for your response.
I’ll just email them if I don’t hear from them soon.
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I thought amount of units being order also.
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Yes I got a bill a while afterwards. I think I posted their price list on here. I got my Liliput bellows last week. They look pretty good to me, but stuff coz they are new.
Wot were they stuffed with Rog?
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My new Pokerwork bellows just arrived from Harmonikas. I ordered them late in October and they quoted 8 weeks for delivery, so that is spot on.
They are beautifully made, even compared to my Costalotti.
Now I just need to build some new frames.
Tiposx
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Just curlous...what did they charge for postage? My bellows were €138, but then 22% tax and they hit me for €40 postage. So the price in the end not quite so good...getting on for €200.
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Knowing exactly what it takes to build quality bellows (in hours, materials and skills) I find the total price of EUR 200 pretty ridiculous.
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Hi Roger
My invoice breaks down as follows:
Bellows e147.40
Freight e25.00
Vat e36.20
Total e208.60
Total £184.61
Plus I paid my bank transfer charge £15 . Total damage £199.61
An observation - Harmonikas won't get rich by making bellows.,
but the financial and government institutions may do so.
I would say that the price is competitive. I did consider the cheaper pokerwork style bellows from Hohner.EU but those China made ones are light, papery and not very hard wearing. (based on my ownership experience).The Harmonikas bellows look and feel like a high quality product.
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Total £184.61
I would say that the price is competitive. I did consider the cheaper pokerwork style bellows from Hohner.EU but those China made ones are light, papery and not very hard wearing. (based on my ownership experience).The Harmonikas bellows look and feel like a high quality product.
good point, Hohner sells their poker work bellows for 200 + postage, if you can get a better quality for same price why not get the better one?
to save bank fees you could use tranferwise, their fees only few £
multi buy reduces the cost a lot,it might be good option to join forces :D for same size bellows..why not ask before ordering if any one else needs a new set? on 4+ new set cost and postage goes down a lot..and split the cost accordingly...obviously it'll only work for buyers from the same country..
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Knowing exactly what it takes to build quality bellows (in hours, materials and skills) I find the total price of EUR 200 pretty ridiculous.
Yes I agree. I wasn’t really being critical of the price. I think they loaded my carriage due to a kefuffle over something else in my order. You pay more for the ones ordered via Carini, but they are of a high quality when you get em.
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I spent a bit of time and effort in making new bellows frames. They turned out very well - I will do another thread on the build. The completed bellows and box pays very nicely indeed - no stiffness and no leaks.
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Nice!
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Maybe it's just my laptop, but the unenlarged picture make me feel queezy! It looks as though you've cut the bellows at an angle before fastening them to the frames.
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I spent a bit of time and effort in making new bellows frames. They turned out very well - I will do another thread on the build. The completed bellows and box pays very nicely indeed - no stiffness and no leaks.
Box looks good! Bellows look sound as well.
I just paid up for some myself, no pattern , black tape outside, red interior.
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Hi Winston/Edward
It's my cheap phone distorting the parallelism. Test assured that everthing is neat and square.
Regards
Tiposx
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Hi Boxcall. My interior folds are red also. They look absolutely superb -similar to Castagnari shade.
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Like this, but the colour is deeper in real life.
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Do Harmonikas know the dimensions etc of Hohner bellows or does it have to be detailed for each order?
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Like this, but the colour is deeper in real life.
Very nice , and similar or the same probably to what I ordered. P11 inside and K14 black stripe outside.
What corner did you use? I got mine with the smallest size ( R6 I think). I wasn’t sure on this dimension but cajun boxes “mainly” have square corners, so I figured cose to that would be fine.
Edit: actually smallest is R3 and I did R6, so 1/4” radius, I may or may not go with the metal corners found on most cajun style boxes.
Do Harmonikas know the dimensions etc of Hohner bellows or does it have to be detailed for each order?
I don’t know if they do, they only provide a dimension format, from what I could see.
If you get in touch with them ( sales ) they probably do know.
They have been very responsive with communication.
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My order form specs:
"Bellows 150x280, 25mmx18 folds, inside P11 red, outside K14 black stripe, Diamond K7 Gold dark-stripe - K18 winy stripe , R6" (corners)
I also mentioned Hohner Vienna 2915 in the comments box.
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They look really good. And clearly not oem Hohner parts.
I'll bear these in mind when I get going with the project using my Binci GC reeds.
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My order form specs:
"Bellows 150x280, 25mmx18 folds, inside P11 red, outside K14 black stripe, Diamond K7 Gold dark-stripe - K18 winy stripe , R6" (corners)
I also mentioned Hohner Vienna 2915 in the comments box.
Almost the same order
154mm x 279mm , 25mm x 20 folds , p11 inside , k14 black stripe outside, no pattern, R6 corners.
I just copied the dimensions from my beltuna bellows and the body of the box in progress also.
I was wondering on the corners when ordering what R6(ME)means? Or R3(AG) ?
I guess ME = metal edge , AG?
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None of the numbers/letters for the corners made any sense to me, so I simply picked the silhouette that looked like Hohner's original. This turned out to be correct.
If you email a query to Harmonikas you will receive a reply. I used English and also (an online translation into) Czech when communicating which may (or not!) have helped.
Their replies were in perfect English.
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I was wondering on the corners when ordering what R6(ME)means? Or R3(AG) ?
I guess ME = metal edge , AG?
Unlikely. The R number is the radius of the curve. ME and AG are probably an abbreviation of a description it Italian.
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I was wondering on the corners when ordering what R6(ME)means? Or R3(AG) ?
I guess ME = metal edge , AG?
Unlikely. The R number is the radius of the curve. ME and AG are probably an abbreviation of a description it Italian.
I knew R = radius , 6= 6mm but could not makes sense of the rest.
I too like tiposx went with the silhouette that looked right.
My cost 242.00 US , 90.00 of the costs is shipping. And then the wire 40.00 (ouch) so 282.00 total.
Still a pretty good price to me. Couple of months of waiting now.